[meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar// Fake KREEP

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:27:05 -0500
Message-ID: <CAKBPJW9NkH=-j9sW-WK91Sw7_AMapYETFYtLNmG03RwYTjyQgg_at_mail.gmail.com>

Worse yet, eBay has ZERO interest in combating fake meteorites and tektites.

A sizeable portion of the moldavite on eBay is obviously fake - not
even good fakes. They scream "FAKE!" from the minute you first see
them. And people keep buying them, and eBay keeps letting the sellers
list them.

Many members of the meteorite community, myself included, have
contacted eBay countless times to report fraudulent items and offer
advice on how to prevent fraud. At every turn, we were ignored or
rebuffed. In my opinion, eBay is an accessory to criminal acts by
knowingly allowing fraud to transpire in their marketplace so they can
collect fees and profit from the sales. For every buyer who demands a
refund, there are several who unknowingly treasure their fraudulent
specimen and are happy with it. So, eBay comes out ahead by looking
the other way.

When the Tiffany company confronted eBay about fake Tiffany items,
they threatened to sue and/or prosecute eBay if they didn't take
action. And to eBay's credit, they did take some action - but only
because they were faced with an old and powerful company with legions
of lawyers. The meteorite community has no such clout or power.

The scammers and thieves are doing this because they can. They know
eBay is a joke when it comes to security and fraud prevention. I blame
eBay more than the scammers. Scammers will always exist as long as
there is greed, and it is eBay's greed that allows their marketplace
to become a minefield of fakes.

That's my two cents. Actual worth will likely vary.



On 11/26/17, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> This same seller fleeced $400.00 out of some poor collector last week:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-from-KREEP-Basalt-to-Lunar-Granite-0-4g-Moon-Breccia-Granite/222713435793?hash=item33dac15691:g:-EMAAOSwv~RZ04Hn
>
> It is a bad sign when undocumented stones are starting to outnumber
> official material.
>
> I have seen the same thing happen in other collectable markets.
>
> What next, witnessed falls again?
>
> Adam
>
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> On 11/26/2017 4:17 PM, drtanuki wrote:
>> Adam and List,
>> There is also a seller from Taiwan selling fake Lunar KREEP. Buyer
>> beware!Help this guy by "liking" his post! Thanks!
>> jacwon_7
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/sch/jacwon_7/m.html?item=222713434677&hash=item33dac15235%3Ag%3AReUAAOSw2oJZ04cE&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:04 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar
>>
>>
>>
>> Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or
>>
>> flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:
>>
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>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN
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>> This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested and made official.
>>
>> To me it is obvious this is not a lunar specimen but it is close enough
>>
>> to fool many. Remember, a COA is worthless without official scientific
>>
>> data to back it up. A recent national auction demonstrated that there
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>> is simply no secondary market for undocumented, untested and unofficial
>>
>> material.
>>
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>> Material like this only undermines collector confidence which is at an
>>
>> all time low right now because of the amount of undocumented crap being
>>
>> dumped onto the market. Fake Martian material is making a comeback as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
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