[meteorite-list] In regards to NWA 10495

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:17:26 -0400
Message-ID: <CAKBPJW8vOkZZy1fskwVfTCrxwYhnrDc4tpm=etHPFbRVoXOi_Q_at_mail.gmail.com>

This is the Meteoritical Bulletin entry for NWA 10495 :

Northwest Africa 10495 (NWA 10495)
Morocco
Find: 2015
Classification: Lunar meteorite (feldspathic breccia)
History: A group of similar stones were found together at an
undisclosed location in southern Morocco during 2015.

Physical characteristics: Several grayish brown stones (total weight
15.6 kg) lacking fusion crust, but with a polished external
appearance. All exhibit the same overall fine grained texture, with
some visible larger whitish clasts within a dark gray matrix.
Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Relatively fine grained
fragmental breccia composed of mineral clasts of anorthite, pigeonite,
olivine, augite, Ti-chromite and troilite set in a matrix containing
minor secondary barite.

Geochemistry: Olivine (Fa34.8-42.3, FeO/MnO = 86-95, N = 4), pigeonite
(Fs29.8-32.4Wo8.8-12.9, FeO/MnO = 47-52, N = 3), augite (Fs20.6Wo35.4,
FeO/MnO = 49), plagioclase (An96.4-97.1Or0.1, N = 2). Bulk composition
(R. Korotev, WUSL) INAA of subsamples gave the following mean
abundances: (in wt.%) FeO 7.0, Na2O 0.30; (in ppm) Sc 17.0, La 1.9, Sm
1.0, Eu 0.67, Yb 1.0, Lu 0.15, Hf 0.6, Th 0.15.
Classification: Lunar (feldspathic breccia).

Specimens: 24.3 g including one stone polished on one side at UWB; the
remaining material is held by the anonymous finders.

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Nowhere in this entry is there any mention of a single large mass. In
fact, it states that there are several similar stones that were
recovered. Unless one is privy to facts that are not publicly known,
there is no way to determine if NWA 10495 is the world's largest lunar
meteorite.

Meteorite collectors rely on the Met Bulletin for the majority of
their information. The next source that is relied upon is
publicly-available data. AFAIK, the owner(s) of NWA 10495 have never
made any public announcements about that lunar. Until this recent
ruckus over NWA 5000, I was not even aware that NWA 10495 had a dog in
the fight. (And I watch the Bulletin religiously for new approvals). I
am sure I saw NWA 10495 when it was first approved, but it was lost
(to me) amongst the many new lunars coming out the NWA DCA. Reading
the description yields no clues as to the disposition of the mass(es).

Hopefully NWA 10495 is not another Kalahari lunar in terms of mystery.
Until a new large lunar is introduced to the public, any claims about
NWA 5000 stand. The Kalahari lunar is owned by an eccentric who has no
plans to ever show the meteorite or make it available to collectors.
It is just another entry in the Met Bulletin that is poorly documented
(in terms of collector interest).

As for the Maine Mineral and Gem Museum, where is it? AFAIK it is just
a website and a plan. The only other time I have heard of it is when
it was mentioned as part of the stolen pallasite scandal recently. For
the director to come out of the gate and start launching accusations
against established members of the community is a little confusing.
Both Greg and Adam have a long history of providing planetary
meteorites to collectors and scientists.The issue of whether NWA 5000
is the largest lunar meteorite has already been debated on this List
numerous times and the general public is well aware of the competing
claims of the Kalahari lunar and others. Until a meteorite is shown
publicly and certified, it is just another rock in the Met Bulletin.
NWA 5000 remains the most documented large lunar in the world.

Anyone can claim to be the World Record holder of eating the most
hotdogs, but until a claim is certified by an authoritative body, it
is just a claim. As a collector, I am always interested in new lunars
and look forward to any public announcement regarding new planetaries.
If and when NWA 10495 is certified and announced, I will be one of the
first to drool over it. In fact, I have extended family in Maine and
some of them are making a trip up there this summer. I would gladly
direct them to pay the museum a visit to view the wonders on display
there, if that museum actually existed.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG (director of the Peanut Gallery)

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On 6/16/16, Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> Thank you for mentioning that, as it was going to be my next reply.
>
> I am truly saddened by your actions over the last several years. It is too
> bad that whatever has afflicted you has overtaken all sensibilities within
> you. Whatever it is, it is too bad you let it take my brother from me! I
> suggest you seek professional help, quickly!
>
> Farewell dear brother, or whoever is in control of Adam's keyboard...
>
> Best regards,
> Greg Hupe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> Remember, everything you post is now public record and will not help your
>> case.
>>
>> The court of public opinion rarely helps in such cases.  The facts are
>> what matter.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>> Cc: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Limited Edition - World's Largest
>> Lunar [meteorite] Replica
>>
>>
>> Dude,
>>
>> I already told you and your lawyer the truth and your 'team' has wisely
>> concluded pursuing and harassing me is not a good idea. Listen to the
>> advice of your legal 'team'!
>>
>> I'm done with your confessional replies here, unless you wish to expose
>> yourself some more!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Greg Hupe
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Contact my attorney directly instead of posting this untrue crap to the
>>> List.
>>>
>>> Your lack of professionalism is shining through,
>>>
>>> Adam Hupe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>> Cc: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Limited Edition - World's Largest
>>> Lunar [meteorite] Replica
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep Adam,
>>>
>>> You just looked in the mirror and saw the 'ugly truth'! Get real,
>>> everybody knows the truth, Everybody!!
>>>
>>> I've taken care of you for the last 12 years you ungrateful user! I've
>>> been your 'no money down' meteorite supplier for years until I cut you
>>> off because of your abuse.
>>>
>>> Go get a life and quit harassing me!!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Greg Hupe
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You are the main reason I am moving away from the sales of meteorites.
>>>> Betrayal, greed, self-delusions of grander and shameless shelf-promotion
>>>> all come to mind.  Like any object of great value, they tend to expose
>>>> the truth and character of individuals.  Sometimes the ugly side is
>>>> exposed.
>>>>
>>>> I have always honored all contracts and kept my word.
>>>>
>>>> Adam Hupe
>>>> The Founder of The Hupe Collection
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>>> Cc: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:25 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Limited Edition - World's Largest
>>>> Lunar [meteorite] Replica
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The joke is how desperate Adam has become with his ever-changing
>>>> signature, this time, 'The Original Hupe Collection'. How pathetic! You
>>>> proclaimed your desertion of meteoritics several years ago. I suggest
>>>> you listen you yourselves and go away!!
>>>>
>>>> And absolutely "Yes", the truth is starting to come out thanks to your
>>>> replies to my post about my replicas and me in general. I sold EVERY
>>>> complete slice of NWA 5000 ever placed into any collection. You have
>>>> only sold small and smaller pieces over the years.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, you have a nice day!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Greg Hupe
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The entire truth about this matter will come out and not the
>>>>> self-serving fiction that was posted below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Hupe
>>>>> The Original Hupe Collection
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>>>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>>>> Cc: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Limited Edition - World's
>>>>> Largest Lunar [meteorite] Replica
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Please nobody confuse me with my brother, Adam. Do not ever think
>>>>> I am like that!
>>>>>
>>>>> I bailed him out on NWA 5000 in June 2013. I have represented Adam and
>>>>> his long time and current NWA 5000 partner, Jeff Kroschell, well before
>>>>> I rescued the majority of the mass from being returned to the Moroccan
>>>>> owners to be utterly destroyed and spread around after the hammer, not
>>>>> unlike Adam is doing now with his eBay sales. A 2-year and growing
>>>>> disgrace!
>>>>>
>>>>> Even before I rescued my brother and the meteorite itself, I sold the
>>>>> (at the time) the only complete slice to the benefit of Adam AND his
>>>>> partner, Jeff Kroschell. During mine and Adam's NWA 5000 'partnership'
>>>>> (I say that loosely) I sold other complete slices which Adam and
>>>>> presumably Jeff Kroschell benefitted equally to me. Adam dropped the
>>>>> ball after about 2010 and he let NWA 5000 become stagnant. Me, and my
>>>>> company, Nature's Vault, Inc., represented and professionally sold NWA
>>>>> 5000 to some of the 'world's most influential' individuals with my hard
>>>>> work and expense. In addition to my purchasing 50% of the remaining
>>>>> mass in June 2013 directly from the rightfully impatient Moroccans
>>>>> owners for non-payment, I was also given access to the intellectual
>>>>> rights to the web site and the mold which Jeff Kroschell and Adam made
>>>>> together! To this day my ungrateful and threatening brother benefits
>>>>> from my directing people to HIM by my worldly efforts with NWA 5000. I
>>>>> owe him nothing!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very proud of all of my efforts in my NWA 5000 representation and
>>>>> ethical sales! I will not be bullied by opportunists and ungrateful
>>>>> users!
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record, in ONLY the last week was I informed about NWA 10495,
>>>>> and have it confirmed by Tony Irving (same one who consulted on my Yale
>>>>> display), and without physical proof of Kalahari, it is still a myth
>>>>> until a particular dealer thinks he can draw it out of the shadows and
>>>>> sell it to the Maine Mineral Museum (Barbara in this thread).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not 'misrepresented' NWA 5000 in any way as the very
>>>>> unprofessional, and nearly slanderous acquisitions manager has accused
>>>>> me of in this thread. I will not be bullied by her or her dealer
>>>>> either!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've worked too hard for the benefit of everyone, especially a very
>>>>> ungrateful ex-business partner, my estranged brother.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest you all pay attention to your own business. Life is too short
>>>>> to continue messing with me! I will not tolerate being slandered, used
>>>>> or accused. Get over yourselves!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Greg Hupe
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not want to be confused with Greg on the latest round of claims
>>>>>> or business dealings.  I operate independently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only claimed NWA 5000 was the largest Highlands lunar meteorite ever
>>>>>> found and the largest to ever be put on public display.  This has
>>>>>> always been clearly stated on my copyrighted website which was created
>>>>>> long before Greg became involved and needs to be updated..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I give Kalahari 009 the benefit of the doubt on my website, although
>>>>>> it has never been weight certified or shown in public.  The weight
>>>>>> remains unofficial and looks to be rounded off or guesstimated to me.
>>>>>> Some doubt its existence or that it is even lunar.  I have never seen
>>>>>> it, know very little about it, don't like how it was managed and have
>>>>>> very little interest in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to my NWA 5000 Website:
>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I created the mold and casting system for the NWA 5000
>>>>>> main mass and maintain all the rights; artistic, intellectual,
>>>>>> copyrighted and otherwise.  I authorized one additional casting to be
>>>>>> used for promotional purposes only and not to be resold.  I spent over
>>>>>> 200 hours designing and creating a near perfect mold of the complete
>>>>>> NWA 5000 main mass and a procedure for producing castings without
>>>>>> bubbles or a noticeable seam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few questions in regards to NWA 10495:.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not recall seeing images of NWA 10495 which is claimed to weigh
>>>>>> 12.120 kg.   Has it been weight certified in front of witnesses and
>>>>>> are there any images?  Is it  a reassembled puzzle, many stones or as
>>>>>> single mass?  If it does turn out to be a single largest certified
>>>>>> lunar mass, I will be the first to offer congratulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, I want everybody to know that I have never misrepresented
>>>>>> NWA 5000 and have nothing to do with current claims or events.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My claim is that NWA 5000 is simply the best and most desirable lunar
>>>>>> meteorite found to date which is backed up with facts on my website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Hupe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbra Barrett via Meteorite-list"
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>>>>>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:17 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Limited Edition - World's
>>>>>> Largest Lunar [meteorite] Replica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?First congratulations on what has been sold to you and your museum,
>>>>>>> I am very well aware of what you have been sold and the new Maine
>>>>>>> Mineral Museum."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had given you the benefit of doubt. Your awareness of our
>>>>>>> acquisitions indicates your knowledge of NWA 10495, making your
>>>>>>> misrepresentations to the list and others all the more troubling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barbra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at centurylink.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Meteorite List Barbara!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First congratulations on what has been sold to you and your museum,
>>>>>>>> I am very well aware of what you have been sold and the new Maine
>>>>>>>> Mineral Museum. I am glad you came out in public asking everyone,
>>>>>>>> including all of the Moroccan dealers, to contact you directly to
>>>>>>>> save you money on Moroccan purchases! Helps everyone and the
>>>>>>>> Moroccans make more profits!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Each 'NWA 5000' I offer was individually painted by hand, by an
>>>>>>>> artist, therefore each one is unique and a 'One-of-a-Kind' work of
>>>>>>>> art. Plus I did much personal hand work on them! Thank you for your
>>>>>>>> interest!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I look forward to visiting your museums treasures when it opens in
>>>>>>>> the fall!! :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Greg Hupe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Barbra Barrett
>>>>>>>>> <bbarrett at mainemineralmuseum.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings to All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While I have enjoyed reading the posts and have yet to post
>>>>>>>>> anything myself, I feel compelled to make my first comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NWA 5000 is indeed an exquisite lunar meteorite.  However, there
>>>>>>>>> are bigger lunars.  Kalahari 009 and NWA 10495, both exceed NWA
>>>>>>>>> 5000?s original mass.  I?m writing now because I have been honored
>>>>>>>>> to curate the main mass of NWA 10495, which weighs 12.120 kg.
>>>>>>>>> Accuracy is important and it is impaired by exaggeration.  While
>>>>>>>>> bigger doesn?t always mean better, when extolling the virtues of
>>>>>>>>> the largest lunar meteorite...size matters!  Records get broken and
>>>>>>>>> we have new achievements to celebrate, but it is not right to
>>>>>>>>> celebrate NWA 5000 as being the largest lunar meteorite found?(and
>>>>>>>>> respectfully, nor can there be at least three one-of-a-kind works
>>>>>>>>> of art).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Barbra Barrett
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list
>>>>>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear List,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to announce the availability of a Limited Edition of
>>>>>>>>>> the 'World's Largest Lunar [meteorite] Replica'. When I say
>>>>>>>>>> "Limited Edition", I mean extremely limited! I will be bringing
>>>>>>>>>> and showing 1 of 3 (available) Full-size Painted replicas to the
>>>>>>>>>> Ensisheim Show this week. Since each replica was hand painted by a
>>>>>>>>>> professional artist right here in Florida they are all
>>>>>>>>>> One-of-a-Kind works of art!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please see here a sneak peek:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/NWA5000/NWA5000_Replica_Limited-Edition1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See you at the show!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ====================
>>>>>>>>>> Greg Hupe
>>>>>>>>>> The Hupe Collection
>>>>>>>>>> gmhupe at centurylink.net
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>>>>>>>>>> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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