[meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

From: John Pierce <lumin9_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:06:39 -0700
Message-ID: <CADugjYod2jrJH8+a_psmzg0=Ag8zTh6eyGLkwGpjddBfPWCr=Q_at_mail.gmail.com>

Full attack mode? Really?
Which of you is Mr. Pot and which is Mr. Kettle?


On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
wrote:

> The way you come out in full-on attack mode simply proves to me that your
> meteorite is a scam and not just an innocent inquiry.
> As Paul said, we have seen this before. I've had people steal meteorites
> from another dealer and offer them to me as "new finds" minutes after I had
> already seen them and tried to buy them. I've had people try to sell me
> meteorites by email when the meteorite was sitting on my desk in front of
> me.
> The scams never end.
> We are professionals. Seeing the photo of that Campo is as easy as seeing
> a photo of the Mona Lisa. No need for further testing.
>
>
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:33 PM, John Pierce <lumin9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What an interesting few responses. You all certainly know a gazillion
> times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know. Of
> these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that
> many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams. I'm sorry
> that you have so much anger about it.
>
> But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating
> a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this
> meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern? They actually examined the
> rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo. Why would
> they have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification
> of this meteorite to the very top of their already long queue? They may be
> underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb. I can't help but
> presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you. Do you think they are
> ignorant? I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my
> contact with them.
>
> I really don't know the answer to that riddle. It is only on the basis of
> their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real
> meteorite. I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this
> matter of a Campo scams. They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste
> their time".
>
> I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no
> idea what you think that might imply. (Are law enforcement people often
> untrustworthy?) I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE
> obscure. I'm just one of the obscure masses. So there is no "drifting
> back" into obscurity needed. But I also sure don't need validation from
> your group..
>
> I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name. But
> since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special
> biography by going to QRZ.com <http://qrz.com> and searching the call
> sign K7KEY. I'm obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.
>
> But my post here has not been fruitless. I've received a good number of
> very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and
> information.
>
> My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to
> have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract. I was foolish
> not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery
> clouded my judgement.
>
> Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler <cetuspa at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Mr Pierce,
>>
>> He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
>> We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just
>> doesn?t fly.
>> I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit
>> suspicious.
>> Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del
>> Cielo.
>> So instead of wasting PSU;?s time I will give you the classification
>> right now.
>> What you have is :
>> classification Octahedrite Group IAB Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni,
>> 0.4% Co
>> So you see.... you don?t even have to worry about cutting your precious
>> hoax.
>> Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
>> No one here cares about your story.
>>
>> PS,
>> I googled your name and...you wouldn?t happen to be a former Law
>> enforcement officer would you?
>> just curious
>>
>> -Paul Gessler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: John Pierce
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
>> To: Michael Farmer
>> Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>
>> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
>> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community, or are you just a
>> troll, or just an angry person?
>>
>> I don't know what a "pen Oregon" iron meteorite is". Can you explain?
>> Because I am new to this stuff.
>>
>> You are the only person so far who has claimed to be able to classify
>> this meteorite from only a photo.
>>
>> But let me clarify again, the intention is to only the smallest possible
>> window cut to generate a sample big enough for classification.
>> You are also the first person to advise that classifying the meteorite
>> will take it to very low value. Is this consistent advise from the
>> community here?
>> I have no intention of cutting it beyond that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nice 100% campo del Cielo meteorite from Argentina.
>> 110% scam.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:40 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> OK, photos.
>> I'm not the most computer literate person.
>> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
>>
>> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
>>
>> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
>> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
>> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
>>
>> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
>>
>> John Pierce
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler <cetuspa at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Let?s see a picture of this Iron.
>> -Paul G
>>
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>> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is my first post here. I joined recently because I found a lovely
>> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
>> subject. My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
>> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
>> classification. It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
>> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> I?ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven?t yet been able to find
>> answer to my question.
>>
>>
>>
>> I?m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
>> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
>> They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons. I?m interested to
>> know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
>> as a coolant/lubricant. For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
>> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
>> like to be a circular blade.
>>
>>
>>
>> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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