[meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!

From: John Lutzon <jl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:10:50 -0500
Message-ID: <CE982CD222AA45599DA887E64D272929_at_Home>

Too little, Too late,
Let it go------go to sleep


----- Original Message -----
From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!


Maybe we can discuss meteorites instead of you inquiring about my healthcare
concerns which really are none of your business.

Perhaps a Lunar meteorite like NWA 482 will be found on private land.







----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>; <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite
Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!


> Is makes no sense at all. I have an Obamacare policy and nothing you are
> saying is anything close to true. Been watching Alex Jones or something? I
> get sick, I go to the doctor and I'm done. Same thing I did under no
> healthcare policy and under non-Obamacare policy.
> Again, since you seem to dislike Obamacare, you are free to buy any
> private policy you want that isn't Obamacare. Why haven't you? I'm still
> confused. And you started this thread. Not me. I merely replied to your
> false statements and whining about things that don't belong on the list.
> Michael
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:47 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, iv'e given up on you....
>>
>> You are losing it man--join the real world.
>> My deductible is close to that And I have
>> nothing---Get real dude
>>
>> Where is your head at ?????????
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>
>>
>> It is interesting that a discussion about land being taken away for the
>> purpose of meteorite hunting has evolved into a discussion about a failed
>> healthcare system,
>>
>> Apparently you do not understand. I would not mind paying for my wife's
>> healthcare from a private provider and have never taken any government
>> handouts ever. It is when the choice has been taken away with false
>> promises
>> of saving $2,400.00 a year and you would not lose your doctor that I care
>> about.
>>
>> The exchanges are ridiculous. Come on, a $5,900 deductible is considered
>> a
>> high-end plan just because it costs as much as a mortgage payment for use
>> who do not qualify for a subsidy?
>>
>> Obamacare is imploding under its poorly planned weight.
>>
>> Time for a better thought-out private system that serves everybody and
>> not
>> socialized medicine where you have to wait for your lottery number to be
>> called to get any service.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing
>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>
>>
>> So you are admitting that you actually just don't want to pay for
>> healthcare. You re under no obligation anywhere to buy Obamacare. You can
>> buy any health insurance policy you like. So instead yup are angry that
>> you
>> have to have any healthcare policy or pay a fine.
>> Wow, so taxpayers like me have to pay your healthcare. Thanks
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that
>>> has more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed
>>> and do not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so
>>> expensive
>>> for us. I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the
>>> only choice I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be
>>> much better off with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare
>>> should be left up to the invidividual not the government in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate!
>>> 200
>>> acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was
>>> taken from us.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer"
>>> <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; "Meteorite
>>> Mailing
>>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just
>>> curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are
>>> free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced
>>> into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit.
>>> Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or
>>> decidable and they pay the rest. That's all.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John and List,
>>>>
>>>> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems
>>>> facing
>>>> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is
>>>> one in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard
>>>> and
>>>> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation.
>>>> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I
>>>> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked
>>>> 14
>>>> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or
>>>> vacation
>>>> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my
>>>> mouth right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any
>>>> excuses. My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a
>>>> trade show in Las Vegas once a year.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way
>>>> of being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I
>>>> prefer charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were
>>>> donated, seven truck loads this year alone.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting
>>>> before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap
>>>> thus
>>>> the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful
>>>> hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in
>>>> equipment, then in time.
>>>>
>>>> As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in
>>>> it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks
>>>> or
>>>> Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If
>>>> there
>>>> happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working
>>>> the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous
>>>> investment
>>>> involved with such endeavors.
>>>>
>>>> And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on
>>>> this
>>>> worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan
>>>> which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of
>>>> dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not
>>>> collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the
>>>> hospital.
>>>>
>>>> Happy hunting while you still can,
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>
>>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be
>>>>> admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land
>>>>> acquisitions,
>>>>> although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened
>>>>> the door..............
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large
>>>>> tracks
>>>>> of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road
>>>>> vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on
>>>>> during
>>>>> a rainy Tuscon Show----And in the same breath you stated that you
>>>>> can't
>>>>> find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford
>>>>> good health care. Please Sir !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch,
>>>>> bitch......
>>>>>
>>>>> With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !!
>>>>> The next post I would to see from you is----Iv'e contacted
>>>>> senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed
>>>>> that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been
>>>>> insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, please come back with some Good news for the
>>>>> Meteorite Hunters.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the
>>>>> out-of-doors?
>>>>>
>>>>> If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove
>>>>> dinosaur
>>>>> tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for
>>>>> them.
>>>>> There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be
>>>>> used
>>>>> for
>>>>> recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the
>>>>> protection
>>>>> built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop
>>>>> looters.
>>>>> There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the
>>>>> lose
>>>>> of
>>>>> freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes
>>>>> these
>>>>> freedoms away.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy
>>>>> public
>>>>> lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves
>>>>> due
>>>>> to
>>>>> the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to
>>>>> nationalize vast areas of land without any public input whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>> The meteorite collection weight limit on public land has now been
>>>>> reduced to
>>>>> Zero pounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Black" <impactika at aol.com>
>>>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks,
>>>>>> fossils,....... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> soon as possible.
>>>>>> Thank you Mr. President.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anne M. Black
>>>>>> IMPACTIKA.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29
>>>>>> separate
>>>>>> land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to
>>>>>> off-road
>>>>>> enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying
>>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly
>>>>>> becoming a thing of the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>>>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam, List,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn
>>>>>> field
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> now off limits, how unfortunate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Larry Atkins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMCA # 1941
>>>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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