[meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!

From: Raremeteorites <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:01:57 -0800
Message-ID: <0EF773C6968F4760BF0AEC4798BD86E8_at_HPDESKTOP>

Michael,

I suggest you go through the thread again and see who brought up healthcare.

----And in the same breath you stated that you can't
find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford
good health care. Please Sir !!!!




----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing
List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!


But you did start it.
Michael

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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> I will happily end this thread about healthcare which I did not start.
> Everybody has an opinion about it and mine is not good.
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> The voters have already spoken so my opinion doesn't matter much on this
> side subject anyway..
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>
> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>
>
>> NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special
>> off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical
>> plan on the planet for 10 years !!
>>
>> Stop this thread
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>
>>
>> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that
>> has
>> more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and
>> do
>> not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for
>> us.
>> I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only
>> choice
>> I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better
>> off
>> with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up
>> to
>> the invidividual not the government in my opinion.
>>
>> Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate!
>> 200
>> acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was
>> taken
>> from us.
>>
>> Adam
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer"
>> <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing
>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>
>>
>> Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just
>> curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are
>> free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced
>> into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit.
>> Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or
>> decidable and they pay the rest. That's all.
>> Michael
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> John and List,
>>>
>>> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing
>>> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is
>>> one
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard
>>> and
>>> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation.
>>> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I
>>> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14
>>> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or
>>> vacation
>>> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my
>>> mouth
>>> right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses.
>>> My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade
>>> show
>>> in Las Vegas once a year.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way
>>> of
>>> being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer
>>> charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were
>>> donated,
>>> seven truck loads this year alone.
>>>
>>> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting
>>> before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap
>>> thus
>>> the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful
>>> hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in
>>> equipment, then in time.
>>>
>>> As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in
>>> it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or
>>> Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If
>>> there
>>> happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working
>>> the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous
>>> investment
>>> involved with such endeavors.
>>>
>>> And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on
>>> this
>>> worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan
>>> which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of
>>> dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not
>>> collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the
>>> hospital.
>>>
>>> Happy hunting while you still can,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>
>>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Adam,
>>>>
>>>> I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
>>>>
>>>> You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be
>>>> admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land
>>>> acquisitions,
>>>> although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened
>>>> the door..............
>>>>
>>>> In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large
>>>> tracks
>>>> of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road
>>>> vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on
>>>> during
>>>> a rainy Tuscon Show----And in the same breath you stated that you can't
>>>> find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford
>>>> good health care. Please Sir !!!!
>>>>
>>>> Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch,
>>>> bitch......
>>>>
>>>> With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !!
>>>> The next post I would to see from you is----Iv'e contacted
>>>> senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed
>>>> that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc.
>>>>
>>>> And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been
>>>> insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse.
>>>>
>>>> Again, please come back with some Good news for the
>>>> Meteorite Hunters.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the
>>>> out-of-doors?
>>>>
>>>> If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove
>>>> dinosaur
>>>> tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for
>>>> them.
>>>> There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be used
>>>> for
>>>> recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the
>>>> protection
>>>> built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop looters.
>>>> There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the lose
>>>> of
>>>> freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes
>>>> these
>>>> freedoms away.
>>>>
>>>> You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy
>>>> public
>>>> lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers.
>>>>
>>>> It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves due
>>>> to
>>>> the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to
>>>> nationalize vast areas of land without any public input whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> The meteorite collection weight limit on public land has now been
>>>> reduced
>>>> to
>>>> Zero pounds.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Black" <impactika at aol.com>
>>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks,
>>>>> fossils,....... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too,
>>>>> as
>>>>> soon as possible.
>>>>> Thank you Mr. President.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne M. Black
>>>>> IMPACTIKA.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>
>>>>> Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and
>>>>> control
>>>>> vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29
>>>>> separate
>>>>> land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to
>>>>> off-road
>>>>> enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the
>>>>> idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and
>>>>> want
>>>>> everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying
>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly
>>>>> becoming a thing of the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam, List,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I
>>>>> think
>>>>> it's
>>>>> safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field
>>>>> is
>>>>> now off limits, how unfortunate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Larry Atkins
>>>>>
>>>>> IMCA # 1941
>>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm
>>>>>
>>>>>
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