[meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!

From: Raremeteorites <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:50:11 -0800
Message-ID: <339C83801D5B4B21B3586A1C5C4F471C_at_HPDESKTOP>

I will happily end this thread about healthcare which I did not start.
Everybody has an opinion about it and mine is not good.

The voters have already spoken so my opinion doesn't matter much on this
side subject anyway..









----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>
To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!


> NOW, you are insulting all of us---sell "one" of your special
> off road vehicles and you'll be able to pay for the best medical
> plan on the planet for 10 years !!
>
> Stop this thread
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>
>
> I thought this was about land grabs, not a crappy healthcare system that
> has
> more than doubled in costs in Arizona this year. I am self employed and
> do
> not take any government subsidies is the reason it is so expensive for us.
> I could let my wife go without and pay the fines (taxes) is the only
> choice
> I see. My wife has no preexisting conditions so we would be much better
> off
> with a privately offered HSA. In any case, healthcare should be left up
> to
> the invidividual not the government in my opinion.
>
> Now back to the outrageous land grabs occurring at an historic rate! 200
> acres could protect the historic monument yet over a million acres was
> taken
> from us.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; "Meteorite Mailing
> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>
>
> Adam, why would you be "forced" to put your wife on Obamacare? I'm just
> curious. There is nothing whatsoever forcing you to do anything. You are
> free and clear to select any medical insurance offered. No one is forced
> into Obamacare, so that's just bullshit.
> Why would you get reimbursed for a hospital visit? You pay your copay or
> decidable and they pay the rest. That's all.
> Michael
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> John and List,
>>
>> The good news is that people are being made aware of the problems facing
>> meteorite hunters. You can only solve a problem by admitting there is
>> one
>> in the first place.
>>
>> I will never complain or be jealous about honest people who work hard and
>> have a few things to show for it. Hard work is what built this nation.
>> Sure, I complain about other things but I do something about it. If I
>> want something, I will work 80 hours a week to get it. I once worked 14
>> years straight running a company without taking a single sick or vacation
>> day off. I even brokered deals on the phone with sterile gauze in my
>> mouth
>> right after getting four wisdom teeth pulled without making any excuses.
>> My idea of a vacation was presenting our US made products at a trade show
>> in Las Vegas once a year.
>>
>> On the other hand, most of what I earn goes to others either in the way
>> of
>> being ripped off by people I once trusted, taxes or charity. I prefer
>> charity. Most of those valuables you mention in warehouses were donated,
>> seven truck loads this year alone.
>>
>> I enjoy meteorite hunting, just like I used to enjoy treasure hunting
>> before it became overregulated. Hunting for meteorites is not cheap thus
>> the proper equipment which happens to be expensive. Most successful
>> hunters I read about have invested an enormous amount, if not in
>> equipment, then in time.
>>
>> As far as land goes, this is my new career so I am keenly interested in
>> it. Most invest in some form of retirement. I have no faith in 401Ks or
>> Social Security so choose to invest in land for the time being. If there
>> happens to be gold or other valuable mineral resources, I enjoy working
>> the land to extract a small amount to help offset the enormous investment
>> involved with such endeavors.
>>
>> And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I was forced to put my wife on this
>> worthless healthcare "insurance." I was lucky to keep my existing plan
>> which actually pays out benefits. We have paid tens of thousands of
>> dollars into the "Affordable Healthcare Act" for my wife and have not
>> collected a single penny in reimbursement despite visits to the hospital.
>>
>> Happy hunting while you still can,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lutzon" <jl at lutzon.com>
>> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>
>>
>>> Hello Adam,
>>>
>>> I wish you and yours all best and a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
>>>
>>> You have have contributed Much to this community and much to be
>>> admired for. As we all know this is not the forum for land acquisitions,
>>> although it makes for good reading & knowledge, but since you opened
>>> the door..............
>>>
>>> In the past, you have talked about your gold mining operation, large
>>> tracks
>>> of land you own, warehouses full of valuables and your fancy off-road
>>> vehicles--and a high priced car that you didn't want to get mud on
>>> during
>>> a rainy Tuscon Show----And in the same breath you stated that you can't
>>> find affordable health care. No Adam, I can't (and many others) afford
>>> good health care. Please Sir !!!!
>>>
>>> Youv'e been on this stump before---nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch......
>>>
>>> With your resourses, Do something ! Do Something !!
>>> The next post I would to see from you is----Iv'e contacted
>>> senator, congressman so/so and got Bill # so/so passed
>>> that opens up some properties to serious rockhounds etc.
>>>
>>> And, no Adam, this is Not insulting, you may have been
>>> insulting to this list by sitting too high on the horse.
>>>
>>> Again, please come back with some Good news for the
>>> Meteorite Hunters.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list"
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>
>>>
>>> Protected from what, citizens and non-citizens trying to enjoy the
>>> out-of-doors?
>>>
>>> If thieves want to get to the these archeological sites, remove dinosaur
>>> tracks or go after fossils, blocking roads will make it simpler for
>>> them.
>>> There will be nobody else around, since this land can no longer be used
>>> for
>>> recreational purposes, to watch over these treasures. All of the
>>> protection
>>> built into the great pyramids in Egypt did very little to stop looters.
>>> There is such thing as overregulation which usually results in the lose
>>> of
>>> freedom. I do not take it lightly when some idiotic bureaucrat takes
>>> these
>>> freedoms away.
>>>
>>> You can stick to paved roads but many of us prefer to actually enjoy
>>> public
>>> lands that were intended for public use by our forefathers.
>>>
>>> It will not be long before meteorite hunters are considered thieves due
>>> to
>>> the ridiculous 1906 Antiquities laws which were never intended to
>>> nationalize vast areas of land without any public input whatsoever.
>>>
>>> The meteorite collection weight limit on public land has now been
>>> reduced
>>> to
>>> Zero pounds.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Black" <impactika at aol.com>
>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>
>>>
>>>> He also protected thousands of archaeological sites, dinosaur tracks,
>>>> fossils,....... Thousands more square miles need to be protected too,
>>>> as
>>>> soon as possible.
>>>> Thank you Mr. President.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anne M. Black
>>>> IMPACTIKA.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2016 1:34 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>
>>>> Stupidity. An urban-dwelling bureaucrat trying to set a record and
>>>> control
>>>> vast areas of the United States by nationalizing it. Come on, 29
>>>> separate
>>>> land grabs representing over 553 million acres now off-limits to
>>>> off-road
>>>> enthusiasts, hunters, rock hounds and meteorite hunters? It seems the
>>>> idiots in Washington DC. don't care about recreational land use and
>>>> want
>>>> everybody to be herded like cattle on the paved and decaying
>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this generation appreciates the little freedom we have left out.
>>>>
>>>> Wide open ranges and public land used for public purposes are quickly
>>>> becoming a thing of the past.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>>> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:38 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another Land Grab In Nevada And Utah!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam, List,
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen the boundary lines for the Gold Butte closure but I think
>>>> it's
>>>> safe to say a large portion of the Nevada side Gold Basin strewn field
>>>> is
>>>> now off limits, how unfortunate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Larry Atkins
>>>>
>>>> IMCA # 1941
>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm
>>>>
>>>>
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