[meteorite-list] Lunars for peanuts

From: Anne Black <impactika_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 14:38:34 -0400
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I certainly agree with you, Laurence.

When I got started in this world of meteorites in 1998 there were really only 2 planetaries known, Calcalong and Nakhla, both mostly unobtainable, then a few more were found, DAG 400 and NWA 482 for instance, then a few more, and even more. Now there are hundreds, even without counting the pairings, and even more will certainly be discovered in the future.
So, yes, it is a typical case of supply and demand and now supply far outnumbers the demand. So only a few, mostly Nakhla and Calcalong, will retain their value because of historical factors, the others will keep losing their value as they become more common.

Not a good investment.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com


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From: Laurence Garvie via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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Sent: Sat, May 30, 2015 12:08 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunars for peanuts


I know of relatively large lunars that are being offered at around $50/g and not
being bought (1 kg stones). There seem to be a plethora of Lunars and Martians.
Nice shergottites could be had from the 2015 Tucson show for around $80/g. In
the last year, the NomCom has approved 35 lunars (over 16 kg) and 19 martians
(around 2 kg).

Personally, given the huge numbers of Lunars being classified,
I expect the price to be at the $50/g range or lower in the near future -
somewhere in the range of the
HEDS.

Laurence

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> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015
13:46:08 -0700
> From: "Shawn Alan" <shawnalan at meteoritefalls.com>
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> Hello Listers
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> I am
starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> especial with
Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> some times on ebay you
can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
> less then $400 a gram. But
again at the sub gram leave the price is
> still in the high $500 to $800 per
gram which is expected at that size.
>
> My question is, is there new
product on the market or has planataries
> shifted in value?
>
> Shawn
Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015
17:13:11 -0400
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
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> To: Shawn Alan <shawnalan at meteoritefalls.com>
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> Hi Shawn,
>
> I think
most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work. As
> time goes on,
more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
> deserts, especially the
NWA DCA. In recent months, we have seen over
> a dozen new planetaries
(including several lunars) that have been
> approved in the Met Bulletin.
>

> New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
>
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
> or
increased. Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
> from the
open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
> offerings that are being
sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.
>
> In the past, the majority
of planetaries were held by a
> relatively-small group of veteran dealers.
Now, there are many
> middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and
Martians.
>
> In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control
the
> supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
>
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
> to
previous offerings. For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
> are a
dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
> market.
>
> I
won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
> who are
buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
> majority of that
material does not appear to have hit the open market
> yet. If that material
is ever released into the market, it would
> depress the asking prices even
further.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
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<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> I am
starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
>> especial with
Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
>> some times on ebay
you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
>> less then $400 a gram.
But again at the sub gram leave the price is
>> still in the high $500 to $800
per gram which is expected at that size.
>>
>> My question is, is there new
product on the market or has planataries
>> shifted in value?
>>
>> Shawn
Alan
>> IMCA 1633
>> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
>>
Website http://meteoritefalls.com
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015
21:03:56 -0700
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] WHAT OCCURS IN
A LARGE HYPERVELOCITY IMPACT
> ON AN ICE SHEET? PART 2
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> Hola Listeros -
>
> Three weeks ago, we
pointed out that a major rise in sea levels and a major change in climate
occurred well before the dates for what is widely and mistakenly called the
Younger Dryas Boundary impact event. Two weeks ago we pointed out a geobleme in
Canada that may or may not be associated with the Holocene Start Impact
Event.
>
> This week we return to consideration of the question of "What
occurs in a large hypervelocity impact on an ice sheet?".
>
> While the
answer to this obviously depends on where it hits, it is clear that large
amounts of water are released. Thus one might suppose that if one had data on
water flows down river drainages during this period, one could determine roughly
where a hypervelocity impactor hit.
>
> Now it just so happens that for 3
river drainages, we have that data.
>
> The Drainages:
>
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7289/images/nature08954-f1.2.jpg
>

> and outflows:
>
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7042/fig_tab/nature03617_F3.html
>

> One of the reasons we have that data for these outlets is that they
> feed
into the "Atlantic Conveyor", which is of some concern right now:
>
>
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/49/19928/F1.large.jpg
>
> Unfortunately, the
flows of the Columbia River and Yukon River, which drain into the Pacific Ocean,
are not as well documented. (Based on the amount of research done, one might
think that in some peoples' opinions the Pacific Ocean plays no role in global
climate.)
>
> Columbia River Outflow Overview:
>
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/1/95.full
>
> or more precisely this
graph of the salinity of the water at the outlfow of the Columbia River (Lopes
and Mix):
> http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/1/79.full.pdf+html
>
>
But in performing this back calculation from river flows to impact point(s) one
may also expect that water released by a large hypervelocity impact on the ice
sheet may also have released enough water to breach the glacial ice dams, and
this water contributed to the river flows:
>
> For Glacial Lake Missoula:
>
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/12/8/464.full.pdf+html
>
> and for Glacial
Lake Bonneville:
>
http://geology.utah.gov/popular/general-geology/great-salt-lake/commonly-asked-questions-about-utahs-great-salt-lake-lake-bonneville/#toggle-id-4
>

> Now if one looks at the temperature data, one can see the first of the
Holocene Start Impact(s) and the outflows occurred substantially before what is
defined as the Younger Dryas:
>
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/alley2000/alley2000.gif
>
> And what
occurs in Ohio (where I am writing from) was that warming occurred first, and
then cold again:
>
>
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/Environment/training/Context%20Studies/Pollen%20and%20Sedimentary%20Records%20Hebron%20Muskox%20Site%20Licking%20County%20OH.pdf
>

> As you can see from Shane's report, there is a re-cooling which likely
coincides with the drainge of Glacial Lake Aggassiz around 10,800 BCE.
>
>
(see also "Intensity and Rate of Vegetation and Climatic Change, Linda C.K.
Shane, The First Discovery of America, The Ohio Archaeological Council,
Columbus, Ohio." if you can find a copy, but note that Shane's 14C dates in it
have to be recalibrated.)
>
> good hunting,everyone
> E.P.
>
>
>
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