[meteorite-list] Lunars for peanuts

From: Laurence Garvie <lgarvie_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 23:12:49 -0700
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I know of relatively large lunars that are being offered at around $50/g and not being bought (1 kg stones). There seem to be a plethora of Lunars and Martians. Nice shergottites could be had from the 2015 Tucson show for around $80/g. In the last year, the NomCom has approved 35 lunars (over 16 kg) and 19 martians (around 2 kg).

Personally, given the huge numbers of Lunars being classified, I expect the price to be at the $50/g range or lower in the near future - somewhere in the range of the HEDS.

Laurence

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> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 13:46:08 -0700
> From: "Shawn Alan" <shawnalan at meteoritefalls.com>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
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> Hello Listers
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> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
> still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
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> My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
> shifted in value?
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> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
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> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:13:11 -0400
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: Shawn Alan <shawnalan at meteoritefalls.com>
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
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> Hi Shawn,
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> I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work. As
> time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
> deserts, especially the NWA DCA. In recent months, we have seen over
> a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
> approved in the Met Bulletin.
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> New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
> supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
> or increased. Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
> from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
> offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.
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> In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
> relatively-small group of veteran dealers. Now, there are many
> middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.
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> In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
> supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
> new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
> to previous offerings. For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
> are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
> market.
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> I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
> who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
> majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
> yet. If that material is ever released into the market, it would
> depress the asking prices even further.
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> Best regards,
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> MikeG
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> On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
>> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
>> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
>> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
>> still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
>>
>> My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
>> shifted in value?
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>> IMCA 1633
>> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
>> Website http://meteoritefalls.com
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> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 21:03:56 -0700
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] WHAT OCCURS IN A LARGE HYPERVELOCITY IMPACT
> ON AN ICE SHEET? PART 2
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> Hola Listeros -
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> Three weeks ago, we pointed out that a major rise in sea levels and a major change in climate occurred well before the dates for what is widely and mistakenly called the Younger Dryas Boundary impact event. Two weeks ago we pointed out a geobleme in Canada that may or may not be associated with the Holocene Start Impact Event.
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> This week we return to consideration of the question of "What occurs in a large hypervelocity impact on an ice sheet?".
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> While the answer to this obviously depends on where it hits, it is clear that large amounts of water are released. Thus one might suppose that if one had data on water flows down river drainages during this period, one could determine roughly where a hypervelocity impactor hit.
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> Now it just so happens that for 3 river drainages, we have that data.
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> The Drainages:
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7289/images/nature08954-f1.2.jpg
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> and outflows:
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7042/fig_tab/nature03617_F3.html
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> One of the reasons we have that data for these outlets is that they
> feed into the "Atlantic Conveyor", which is of some concern right now:
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> http://www.pnas.org/content/109/49/19928/F1.large.jpg
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> Unfortunately, the flows of the Columbia River and Yukon River, which drain into the Pacific Ocean, are not as well documented. (Based on the amount of research done, one might think that in some peoples' opinions the Pacific Ocean plays no role in global climate.)
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> Columbia River Outflow Overview:
> http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/1/95.full
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> or more precisely this graph of the salinity of the water at the outlfow of the Columbia River (Lopes and Mix):
> http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/1/79.full.pdf+html
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> But in performing this back calculation from river flows to impact point(s) one may also expect that water released by a large hypervelocity impact on the ice sheet may also have released enough water to breach the glacial ice dams, and this water contributed to the river flows:
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> For Glacial Lake Missoula:
> http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/12/8/464.full.pdf+html
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> and for Glacial Lake Bonneville:
> http://geology.utah.gov/popular/general-geology/great-salt-lake/commonly-asked-questions-about-utahs-great-salt-lake-lake-bonneville/#toggle-id-4
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> Now if one looks at the temperature data, one can see the first of the Holocene Start Impact(s) and the outflows occurred substantially before what is defined as the Younger Dryas:
> http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/alley2000/alley2000.gif
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> And what occurs in Ohio (where I am writing from) was that warming occurred first, and then cold again:
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> http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/Environment/training/Context%20Studies/Pollen%20and%20Sedimentary%20Records%20Hebron%20Muskox%20Site%20Licking%20County%20OH.pdf
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> As you can see from Shane's report, there is a re-cooling which likely coincides with the drainge of Glacial Lake Aggassiz around 10,800 BCE.
>
> (see also "Intensity and Rate of Vegetation and Climatic Change, Linda C.K. Shane, The First Discovery of America, The Ohio Archaeological Council, Columbus, Ohio." if you can find a copy, but note that Shane's 14C dates in it have to be recalibrated.)
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> good hunting,everyone
> E.P.
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