[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

From: Jim Wooddell <jim.wooddell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:17:50 -0700
Message-ID: <537D341E.6070605_at_suddenlink.net>

Yep.... 100% agree. I'd go a step further and say data
analysis/classification/curation of ALL meteorites....even the little
bitty ones.

I got to tell you it's tough...very tough....being a hunter...wanting to
do the right thing getting finds classified and in curation. Especially
when I am retired and seek no profit
from any of this.

BTW, do you have an area for USA meteorites set up for displaying them?
I'll send you anything I have if you do....no strings... other than I'd
like to see them displayed.
ASU doesn't even have an Arizona display....drives me freaking nuts!

Jim

On 5/21/2014 4:07 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just between you and me -- and everyone else on the internet -- I wish
> NASA would spend a tiny fraction of their ~$19B annual budget on the
> recovery, classification, curation, and data analysis on
> scientifically valuable meteorites originating outside of Antarctica.
> They spend piles of money on JPL's remote sensing probes and archiving
> the data from missions but somehow the non-Antarctic samples in our
> labs and university museums are not as special to them -- and as far
> as I know they are from the same solar system :) :)
>
> Carl Agee
> *************************************
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: agee at unm.edu
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>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Wooddell
> <jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at. I really appreciated the
>> opportunity to touch and see the
>> Old Woman Meteorite.
>> The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of
>> the BLM building!
>> She thought I was joking around! ;)
>>
>> If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go
>> get it and re-unite them.
>> I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could
>> be raised to retrieve these.
>> Russia would do it, I bet!
>>
>> I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it
>> happen by a qualified organization
>>
>> Won't believe it until I see pictures. Hiding something like this is nuts!
>> I am mean really.
>>
>> Now back to watching epoxy cure!
>> I need to call you next week.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:
>>> I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
>>> Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
>>> i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
>>> slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
>>> is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.
>>>
>>> Carl Agee
>>> *************************************
>>> Carl B. Agee
>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>> MSC03 2050
>>> University of New Mexico
>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>
>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Sonny,
>>>>
>>>> I thought the miners..or one of them passed?
>>>>
>>>> Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>>> Hey Adam and list
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
>>>>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
>>>>> piece
>>>>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have
>>>>> tried
>>>>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
>>>>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would
>>>>> be
>>>>> a great case to challenge in court.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with
>>>>> the
>>>>> BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with
>>>>> three
>>>>> different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
>>>>> answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area
>>>>> that
>>>>> also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a
>>>>> stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
>>>>> friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
>>>>> anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only
>>>>> consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land
>>>>> are
>>>>> not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me,
>>>>> the
>>>>> thrill is finding them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
>>>>> <wahlperry at aol.com>To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
>>>>> AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
>>>>> Finds???Hey
>>>>> Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
>>>>> need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds
>>>>> over
>>>>> the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
>>>>> Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
>>>>> aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
>>>>> formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the
>>>>> LasVegas
>>>>> BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact
>>>>> the
>>>>> State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
>>>>> meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my
>>>>> experiences
>>>>> with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully
>>>>> find
>>>>> some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Raremeteorites via
>>>>> Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To: meteorite-list
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08
>>>>> amSubject:
>>>>> Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM
>>>>> adopted
>>>>> the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them
>>>>> into
>>>>> laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
>>>>> overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input
>>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>> I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton
>>>>> which
>>>>> sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
>>>>> their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will
>>>>> never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that
>>>>> meteorites
>>>>> are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
>>>>> peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
>>>>> theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting
>>>>> ofseven
>>>>> people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that
>>>>> meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other
>>>>> outlets.
>>>>> Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this
>>>>> trip.
>>>>> I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will
>>>>> leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will
>>>>> leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory
>>>>> experiences
>>>>> with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
>>>>> property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has
>>>>> been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
>>>>> collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
>>>>> finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig
>>>>> on
>>>>> privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the
>>>>> "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even
>>>>> thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which
>>>>> wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting
>>>>> youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been
>>>>> personallyinvolved
>>>>> with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent,
>>>>> but
>>>>> more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their
>>>>> authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: "JimWooddell via
>>>>> Meteorite-list"
>>>>>
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
>>>>> com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>>>>> Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
>>>>> clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while
>>>>> back
>>>>> the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area
>>>>> supervisors>
>>>>> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has
>>>>> failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If
>>>>> you
>>>>> can show me wherethese guidelines have become rules and have > actually
>>>>> beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25
>>>>> PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All,>>>>
>>>>> Unlessthey
>>>>> predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >>for
>>>>> commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >>
>>>>> them
>>>>> without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited
>>>>> meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial
>>>>> permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has
>>>>> ever
>>>>> been issued despite being applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>>
>>>>> That
>>>>> is why it so important to treat private landowners with the utmost >>
>>>>> respect in order to gain access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>>
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