[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 10:12:17 -0700
Message-ID: <CAMseTy09hbexQK=2erY3ttGAOa5mJBRWOVoywz-EXYz5oXDkBQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

In summary, I applied for a commercial permit as soon as the
memorandum was issued. Over the course of 14 months my application
was routed successfully through 2 or 3 district offices, I paid the
application fee ($115), then it went to the State office and
effectively died there. The final direction was, "I have received
further direction from our State Office, and the recommendation at
this time is to not process any meteorite applications until we get
further guidance/clarification from the BLM Washington Office." My
application fee was refunded.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> The UNESCO guidelines have been well discussed on this List. Richard Norton
> discussed them in great detail and I do not consider him an alarmist. I am
> speaking from personal experience however I have provided links to these
> "laws" in the archives.
>
> Please share your experiences on trying to obtain a commercial permit. This
> would be useful first-hand information
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mulgrew" <mikestang at gmail.com>
> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>
>
>> Adam, your posts come off a bit alarmist. Please cite the laws by
>> Title, Chapter, and Part/Section rather than just saying "they" turned
>> the "rules" into "laws". Please leave opinions and conspiracies out
>> of it, just state fact.
>>
>> The BLM advisory memorandum regarding meteorites expired in September of
>> 2013.
>>
>> My dealings with the BLM have all been pleasant and professional. I
>> think I got further along the permit process than anyone else, but
>> those guidelines do not apply any longer from what I can tell.*
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> * - I'm not a lawyer
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect cultural properties
>>> and
>>> turned them into laws. These rules have been twisted into law by
>>> government
>>> servants overstepping their authority with no debate or intelligent input
>>> whatsoever. I talked at great length over 10 years ago with the late
>>> Richard Norton which sounded the alarm bells to anybody who would listen.
>>> The BLM strengthened their position with the 10 pound limit and
>>> commercial
>>> permits which will never be issued based on television shows, falsely
>>> perceiving that meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs and are
>>> worth a
>>> fortune.
>>>
>>> Not too many people have the resources to fight the federal government.
>>> Just
>>> talk to the miners that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group,
>>> consisting of seven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles
>>> California office that meteorites are not to be resold and that they
>>> monitor
>>> eBay and other outlets. Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and a
>>> scientist were on this trip. I was personally threatened, as were other
>>> team members, by them and will leave it at that. Others on this list
>>> have
>>> been warned as well. I will leave it up to other hunters to step forward
>>> with their unsavory experiences with the BLM if they feel so inclined.
>>>
>>> It is best to search on private property with written permission if want
>>> to
>>> resell your finds. There has been a lot of press about artifact hunters
>>> having their entire collections confiscated if they did not have
>>> provenance
>>> indicating their finds were made on private land. Even then, you are not
>>> allowed to dig on private property for them. They have to be surface
>>> finds.
>>> Remember, the "laws" written for artifacts and fossils now apply to
>>> meteorites even though meteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO
>>> guidelines which were adopted into law.
>>>
>>> Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you have engaged in over
>>> the years that you have not been personally involved with the BLM in the
>>> field. Sometimes you run into a reasonable agent, but more than likely,
>>> you
>>> will run into one looking exert their authority.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list"
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Adam and all,
>>>>
>>>> Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules.
>>>>
>>>> The BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus. The paper
>>>> was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors
>>>> to implement or not. To be clear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has
>>>> failed to issues claimed permits for
>>>> commercial ventures when ask.
>>>>
>>>> If you can show me where these guidelines have become rules and have
>>>> actually been implemented, I'd like to see it.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim and All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be
>>>>> used
>>>>> for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering
>>>>> them
>>>>> without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" limited
>>>>> meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a commercial
>>>>> permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial permit has
>>>>> ever
>>>>> been issued despite being applied for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the bad news,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why it so important to treat private land owners with the
>>>>> utmost
>>>>> respect in order to gain access to unrestricted search areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Wooddell
>>>> jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net
>>>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/
>>>>
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