[meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

From: Greg Crinklaw <crinklaw_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:28:36 -0700
Message-ID: <54872334.2020502_at_tularosa.net>

I really don't think this discussion belongs here, but since you are
talking about the area where I grew up, rather than just where you drive
through, I feel I must comment. The San Joaquin/Central Valley of
California is so vast that it has more than one common name. You can't
treat it like it's one place for agriculture. The agriculture in the
north is very different from the south, and that of the west is very
different from the east. The source of water for agriculture on the east
side is underground or from canals that originate in the Sierra Nevada.
Each drought has put pressure on both sources, but agriculture still
thrives. The biggest issue on the east side is that the population keeps
expanding into the farm land. As a result the water table keeps going
lower. The source of water on the west side is underground and the
Sacramento river delta. The delta water was promised to farmers but
never fully delivered. When the wetlands started to disappear the water
rations were set ever lower (thus the signs about the government). With
large populations, wild lands, and agriculture all fighting for the same
water something is going to have to give. This is not a matter of
over-regulation, but one of necessary resource management. Better ways
of using the water with less waste, both for the residents and by
farmers is the only reasonable solution, and of course, people like our
friend here will cry foul about that, but this is simply a natural
result of having so many people living in such close quarters. You can't
just pretend it's still the wild west and let everybody use all the
water they'd like to.

Between all the ads and the non-meteorite related political discussion
on this list I am considering unsubscribing.

Greg

On 12/9/2014 1:16 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
> I would say it is more the fault of farming in a land where it never
> rains! The Central Valley may have great temperatures for farming,
> but it has no rainfall. Sin we have a 16 year drought, I guess
> farming the sand is ending poorly.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 12:43 PM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, well CA doesn't put out as much produce as it used to.
>> Whenever I go back to CA from AZ, in order to visit family, I drive
>> up and down Interstate 5. For practically the whole I-5 part of my
>> trip I see empty, dusty fields where there used to be beautiful
>> orchards and lands full of all kinds of fruits and vegetables. Now,
>> just dusty, empty fields......oh yeah, and hundreds of signs that
>> say, "Congress Created Dustbowl". Yup, devastated, dry land, all
>> because Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and crew wanted to save a
>> minnow in the California Aqueduct. If I'm not mistaken, that minnow
>> is not even native to the region. It was imported. That's CA for
>> you.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:17:39 -0800 To:
>>> raremeteorites at centurylink.net CC:
>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>>> Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List From:
>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> Average gasoline prices in Arizona ($2.57/gal) are about 13%
>>> lower than California ($2.97). How does that 13% difference turn
>>> into an almost 100% (claimed) increase in your fill-up?
>>>
>>> California has more than 3 times the lane-miles of Arizona and
>>> it's drivers account for 11% of ALL of the miles driven in the
>>> entire country (more than 5 times Arizona drivers, and we have a
>>> lower fatality rate because no one from Arizona can drive worth a
>>> damn), so yes, our roads do get used and abused and could use
>>> some love. Believe it or not, road maintenance is what the fuel
>>> tax is used for, we just have a lot more roads that need
>>> maintaining.
>>>
>>> And "most" produce comes from California. And by most we're
>>> talking a huge majority. Some comes from Mexico, some from other
>>> places, too, but California is our nation's produce isle.
>>>
>>> Michael is so. Cal.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Raremeteorites via
>>> Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>> I do stay out of California unless managing one of my
>>>> over-taxed investment properties.. It cost nearly twice as much
>>>> to fill up my gas tank there as it does in Arizona. They were
>>>> the first state to have a major city go bankrupt demonstrating
>>>> their ability to manage taxpayer funds. I do not know what they
>>>> do with the nations highest fuel tax. It sure isn't put into
>>>> the roads. I will not drive at night in parts of California
>>>> since they can't even afford to paint the lanes or put up
>>>> reflectors. I once went airborne at night while pulling my
>>>> enclosed car hauler trailer since California was too cheap to
>>>> mark a raised railroad crossing.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen better roads in third-world countries. As far as
>>>> produce goes, most of it now comes from Mexico.
>>>>
>>>> Again, no thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Drive at your own risk ----- Original Message ----- From:
>>>> "Michael Mulgrew" <mikestang at gmail.com> To: "Raremeteorites"
>>>> <raremeteorites at centurylink.net> Cc: "Meteorite List"
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, December
>>>> 08, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not met.
>>>> Related - Friend On Meteorite List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No other state even comes close to California when it comes
>>>>> to produce production, so it follows that no other states
>>>>> would have to enact protections as tough as California. Don't
>>>>> like it, then stay out of my state (and stop eating fruits,
>>>>> nuts, and vegetables altogether, chances are they were grown
>>>>> here).
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Raremeteorites via
>>>>> Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's California for you. Too much governmental control
>>>>>> and wasted tax payer money. They tax (fleece) everything
>>>>>> and the roads are crap! I can tell when I am entering
>>>>>> California from Arizona or Nevada just by the condition of
>>>>>> the roads and the agricultural check points. First you go
>>>>>> from a smooth freeway into a patched together,
>>>>>> multi-colored, quilted road surface with no shoulders and
>>>>>> than go through the indignity of an inspection station just
>>>>>> have any American grown produce thrown in the trash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wooddell via
>>>>>> Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> To:
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday,
>>>>>> December 08, 2014 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not
>>>>>> met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keeping this meteorite related, the California bug
>>>>>>> stations even look for firewood coming in from other
>>>>>>> states. So for example you are planning a meteorite
>>>>>>> hunting trip into or through California and figure you
>>>>>>> would like to haul some firewood with you, you might want
>>>>>>> to know that they may or will seize it at the border
>>>>>>> inspection stations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Wooddell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2014 6:51 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and
>>>>>>>> ship goods to you in violation of California law? They
>>>>>>>> could be prosecuted for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Michael Blood via
>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All, Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. As
>>>>>>>>> some of you know, I grow exotic plants, have a
>>>>>>>>> Greenhouse, etc. Unfortunately, CA is THE worst state
>>>>>>>>> when it comes To importing plants. <SNIPOLA>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico
skyhound.com

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