[meteorite-list] The NWA 6435 name on MetSoc Database = Nightmare

From: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1379982717.3912.YahooMailNeo_at_web126203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Carl,


I completely agree.

Not being intimately involved in the process, I will offer what may be considered a simplistic fix, but one I hope one that is taken to heart.

I see two broad categories of meteorites from a classification perspective: standard and unusual.

If a stone is analyzed by a known meteoriticist with a record of solid classifications and that stone is something similar to other specimens, like a diogenite for example, then the classification should be immediately published. No provisional classification would be needed.

If a stone is analyzed by a known meteoriticist with a record of solid classifications and that stone is turns out to be something unusual like NWA 7034, then when the initial analysis is complete, it should be published with all available data and with its "proposed" classification - even if it is something new. This new method would allow scientists to publish papers and enable a greater level of cooperation amongst themselves as well as aid the dealers and collectors. The meteorite classification would be labeled as "proposed" or something else deemed suitable. As science takes its course, then the classification might change but at least basic information would not. This would also be useful to enable other meteoriticists to analyze paired specimens and determine if a stone they did not originally classify is, in fact, a pairing.

This process would streamline classifications, allow science to proceed unimpeded and reduce overall time and cost.

I hope that what I propose is not shot down because one detail may not work. I do hope that we come up with ideas on how to make this or a similar idea feasible to the benefit of the entire meteorite community.

Respectfully and in good faith,



Mendy Ouzillou



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> From: Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu>
>To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Fabien Kuntz <wwmeteorites at yahoo.com>; "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The NWA 6435 name on MetSoc Database = Nightmare
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>Of course I'm referring to NWA 5435 in the MetBull!
>No, I agree this is very confusing! Another reason to do away with
>"Provisonals". There are so many that will never get classified -- a
>waste of time in my opinion.
>
>Carl Agee
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>On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>> Mendy,
>> Not to meddle in other people's classifications, but to me the
>> geochemistry and mineralogy does look like a brachinite and not a
>> diogenite.
>> Carl
>>
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>> Carl B. Agee
>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>> MSC03 2050
>> University of New Mexico
>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>
>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
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>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone please clarify why this is listed as a Brachinite instead of Diogenite?
>>>
>>> Based on the composition being 90% olivine, should this not be listed as a dunitic diogenite?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>> From: Fabien Kuntz <wwmeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:09 PM
>>>>Subject: [meteorite-list] The NWA 6435 name on MetSoc Database = Nightmare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>because may of you asked about the statut of NWA 6435 on the Bulletin, here is the story (it have been discussed on the list with Norbert Kammel during the summer, the 9 jully, remember) :
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Jeff Grossman will explain this a different way (because at this time I have not understand all what happened), but I have a brachinite (now is the official NWA 5435) was for a time missnamed as NWA 6435 (this was the name I recieved from the classifier) !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So during a time, this meteorite had two provisionnal names (NWA 5435 and NWA 6435, close in look, easy mistake) !
>>>>
>>>>At the same time the NWA 5435 number have been assigned too, to a stone of Norbert Kammel, a chondrite (this is what was discussed on the list on early july).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The official for my brachinite was choosed as NWA 5435 (it is now OFFICIAL on the Bulletin), and the Norbert chondrite was reassigned as NWA 3999...
>>>>
>>>>last year, I submitted to Tony Irving a new stone (working name K091 for Kuntz091), after preliminary work on it of Jean-Alix Barrat, and the NWA 6435 was finally reassigned to this new stone, the unbrecciated diogenite I introduced today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK for me this is a NIGHTMARE, I just did what I had to did, and now I have to writte here a real novel to explain what happen, and collectors possibly interesting in slices of this meteorite maybe will be suspicious !
>>>>
>>>>I suppose I have to wait (month, years?) for this mistake was corrected on the Bulletin...
>>>>
>>>>Fabien
>>>>
>>>>
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