[meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:45:22 +0100
Message-ID: <01bd01ce1fd7$dd62c330$98284990$_at_de>

Hi Alan,

>If I do remember correctly, stones falling from space was blasphemous

...no, don't believe in movies.
Don't forget, that throughout the whole Middle Age's until into the 1500s in
Europe the collector, keeper, translator, sponsor, communicator and
instructor was the clergy.
(and also remember, how many famous astronomer were also after the
Enlightenment churchmen).
Remember that even the stone of Ensisheim was publically displayed in the
church.
(Or the very precise fall observation and description of the today lost
stones of Schaeftlarn by the Premonstratensians in 1722).

On contrary, but that plays a role more in the folk religion (da cleric
scientists were more sober), falling stones and fiery rains belonged to the
inventory of the bible. (plagues of Egypt, book of relevation, Sodom &
Gomorrah ect.pp).

And one can observe a shift in the interpretation of natural phenomena from
the 1500 to the 1600.
Mainly in the popular prints.
Quite all natural phenomena out-of-band, like yellow and red rains, rains of
frogs, rats, fishes; earthquakes, comets, sun-dogs, halos, aurorae, sudden
mass-occurrences of insects and so on were there in the 1500 still regarded
as a miracles, created and sent by god as a warning,
while then in the 1600 already, most of these phenomena weren't regarded as
miracles anylonger, but natural scientific explained and only the
circumstance that they happened was religiously interpreted.

As far as the meteorites in the scientific world were concerned,
there wasn't so much questioned that they fall, but rather the question was,
whether they are a product of Earth or Aristotelian of the atmosphere (like
it was with the comets, first parallax was taken by Tycho)
and the sometimes ridiculed thing was later the suggestion by Chladni (for
Doug, Jefferson), that they origin in space.

Best!
Martin

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Alan
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. M?rz 2013 02:45
An: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum; Meteorite Central;
countdeiro at earthlink.net; meteoritemike at gmail.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
inFireballFragments

I would say Mc kays theory is more plausible than Wickramasing. Mckay does
make some good points, but in science, its about proof, and I think for the
next 50 years or longer, science will keep it hush hush and on the lid if
there is really life on Mars, because once that is out in the open, there
goes religion, well some, that are based around the "all mighty being". But
at any rate, I do enjoys Mckays theory, his makes since, but other scientist
have argued that the fossil remains can be synthesized in the lab. Well
anything can be synthesized in the lab today :). However, without these
crazy ideas about life in meteorites, or fossils in Martian stones, where
would we be with science in meteoritics. If I do remember correctly, stones
falling from space was blasphemous,?you would be shunned in the science
world around the 1700's for even trying to suggest that. It all comes down
to timing, technology and the meteorite that has life :)

Shawn Alan
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From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>; Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritemike at gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>; Meteorite List
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
inFireballFragments

Really!? I didn't think anybody believed McKay's thoroughly debunked theory
any more.

http://www.space.com/18414-mars-meteorite-life-arctic-rocks-qanda.html

Phil Whitmer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: "Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic
Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
Cc: "Mike Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
inFireballFragments


> Hi Phil,
>
> I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In
> particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites
> I mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper "New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian
> Meteorites" descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have
> concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly
> convincing to me.
>
> That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars,
> was sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for
us.
> You may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's
> findings today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee
> their pants having the opportunity to confirm that in the first
> drilling of a rock on Mars, they have proven an environment existed
> that would have beeen amiable to life.
>
> It will get better....
>
> Regards,
>
> Guido
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM
>>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>><meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>Cc: Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
>>inFireballFragments
>>
>>Hello Count,
>>
>>All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead? horses.
>>That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new
>>evidence, I'd love to hear it.
>>
>>Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of
>>discussion? Please proceed.....
>>
>>Phil Whitmer
>>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Joshua
>>Tree Earth & Space Museum" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>Cc: "Mike Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>; "Meteorite List"
>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
>>inFireballFragments
>>
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> Meteorite Mike has said ".. are hereby suspended..." and Phil wrote
>>> "..too dumb to discuss.."
>>>
>>> Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende
>>> specimens, to mention just a few.
>>>
>>> Wait till all those guys and gals, with the three letters after
>>> their names, engaged in writing and publishing papers supporting the
>>> presence of fossilized nano-bacteria, biomorphs and elements that
>>> postulate pansermia, find out that their work "is too dumb to
>>> discuss"!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Count Deiro
>>> IMCA 3536
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 7:59 AM
>>>>To: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>>Cc: Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
>>>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
>>>>in FireballFragments
>>>>
>>>>All ancient life-bearing meteorites, diatom-bearing meteorites,
>>>>red-rain particles, and panspermia chondrites are hereby suspended
>>>>until further notice....
>>>>
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>>>>On 3/12/13, Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>><dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> Too dumb to even discuss!
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Whitmer
>>>>> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in
>>>>> FireballFragments
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-
>>>>>> ancient-fossils-in-fireball-fragments/
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