[meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <26815176.1363118876911.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Well put Mike.

Guido

-----Original Message-----
>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 3:39 PM
>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>Cc: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>, Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
>
>Hi Count, Phil, List, and Innocent Bystanders,
>
>I have to chime in a bit here on a more serious note.
>
>I think there is merit to the idea of panspermia. I am not convinced
>that panspermia explains any of the lifeforms or living processes here
>on Earth, but that does not mean the idea is baseless.
>
>We have been bombarded for billions of years by objects that contain
>water and the precursors of organic compounds, amino acids, etc.
>Injecting this material into the crucible of primitive Earth could
>result in changes to the evolution of life that would not have
>occurred without the addition of those extraterrestrial ingredients.
>We may owe our existence to comets and meteorites. Or maybe not.
>
>But, the most fervent proponents of the panspermia theory are throwing
>caution and scientific method to the wind. They look for evidence to
>support their views and they find it. They selectively ignore valid
>questions about their methodology and the integrity of their evidence.
>
>Wickramasinghe is not doing the panspermia theory any favors. Whether
>or not there is any validity to the theory is trumped by his
>questionable methods. Also, publishing anything at all in the
>so-called "Journal of Cosmology" is not the way to gain any respect or
>consideration.
>
>A lot of people want to believe that panspermia played a role in the
>development of life on Earth and elsewhere - it's an enticing and
>romantic idea that opens many doors of possibility for the frequency
>of life in the cosmos. But Wickramasinghe is not convincing me of
>this. I bet the credible proponents of the theory wish they could
>squelch this guy, because he is adding a lot noise to the panspermia
>signal.
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
>PS - I do happen to believe in "panspermia", but please don't put me
>in Wickramasinghe's camp. ;)
>
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>On 3/12/13, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In
>> particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I
>> mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper "New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian
>> Meteorites" descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have
>> concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing
>> to me.
>>
>> That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was
>> sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. You
>> may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's findings
>> today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their pants having
>> the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a rock on Mars,
>> they have proven an environment existed that would have beeen amiable to
>> life.
>>
>> It will get better....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Guido
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM
>>>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>>Cc: Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
>>> inFireballFragments
>>>
>>>Hello Count,
>>>
>>>All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses.
>>>That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new
>>>evidence, I'd love to hear it.
>>>
>>>Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of
>>>discussion? Please proceed.....
>>>
>>>Phil Whitmer
>>>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Joshua Tree
>>>Earth & Space Museum" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>Cc: "Mike Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>; "Meteorite List"
>>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:32 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils
>>>inFireballFragments
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> Meteorite Mike has said ".. are hereby suspended..." and Phil wrote
>>>> "..too
>>>> dumb to discuss.."
>>>>
>>>> Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende specimens, to
>>>>
>>>> mention just a few.
>>>>
>>>> Wait till all those guys and gals, with the three letters after their
>>>> names, engaged in writing and publishing papers supporting the presence
>>>> of
>>>> fossilized nano-bacteria, biomorphs and elements that postulate
>>>> pansermia,
>>>> find out that their work "is too dumb to discuss"!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Count Deiro
>>>> IMCA 3536
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>>>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 7:59 AM
>>>>>To: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>Cc: Mike Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
>>>>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in
>>>>>FireballFragments
>>>>>
>>>>>All ancient life-bearing meteorites, diatom-bearing meteorites,
>>>>>red-rain particles, and panspermia chondrites are hereby suspended
>>>>>until further notice....
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>On 3/12/13, Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> Too dumb to even discuss!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Whitmer
>>>>>> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:17 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in
>>>>>> FireballFragments
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-ancient-fossils-in-fireball-fragments/
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