[meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:19:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Message-ID: <23721564.1362287965809.JavaMail.root_at_wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello Mike, Carl, Jason, Ted and List,

Carl Esparza began hunting the original Cat Mountain location, which is practically in his back yard, after I casually mentioned to him that a newbie, Mr. Mike Holden, had sent me a 107 gram rock that Mike had found near the location of the original Cat Mountain meteorite. Holden had contacted me in response to an ad I had placed on Craig's List soliciting possible meteorites. I prevailed on the Holden to send me his find.

I paid to have a 22.5 gram specimen I sliced off classified by Dr. Ted Bunch of Space Science Consulting Services. Before I did that, I posted photos of the find on this List and solicited opinions. Listees might remember that my friend, Greg Hupe', said it looked slagadosious:0) But, Ted's classification came back that the approx. 20 gram slice I had cut from the Holden's find was, unarguably, a pairing to the original Cat Mountain held by Haag. I took an agreed 23.4 gram slice of Holden's Cat Mountain for my collection, and the remaining 62 gram meteorite was returned and quickly purchased by Ruben Garcia. Ruben has sold, at my estimate, over $1,500.00 in slices without complaint.

Carl Esparza found, MONTHS LATER, and within a few hundred yards from Holden's find, a rock which he sent to me at my request. After examining it, I sliced off approximately 22 grams and engaged Dr. Bunch to classify it. It came back from Ted as a pairing to both other known Cat Mountain specimens. The meteorite, minus the sample sent to Bunch for classification and cutting and polishing loss was misplaced, or stolen, after I engaged and paid Fed Ex to return it to Carl. I have been, regrettably, accused of stealing it. Not withstanding the fact I already had a a nice slice of Cat Mountain.

There is no love lost between Carl and I, but I can't stand by and allow him to be labeled an arm chair warrior who has never provided a recovery. That is a blatantly false statement and quite easily refuted by the existance of in situ and in hand specimen photography, proven time line, shipping records, professional written classification and the physical sample on deposit at NAU.

No matter what else Carl has done that others can find fault with, the unimpeachable fact is, that Carl Esparza recovered an oriented, approx. 187 gram, Cat Mountain meteorite from a known strewn field at his own expense and risk...and ultimately his loss.

Regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

   

   
 
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>Sent: Mar 2, 2013 8:46 AM
>To: "<cdtucson at cox.net>" <cdtucson at cox.net>
>Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
>
>Carl, the problem is armchair warriors like you who cry and whine incessantly but have yet to provide a real meteorite, have no idea the troubles us hunters go through to fill the collections of the world, and don't care. You have been involved in many scams but no recoveries. Some of us have the sack to take risks, some, like you, do not.
>Sincerely
>Michael Farmer
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:42 PM, <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> List,
>> I have been around Bob Haag (this radio voice does not sound like bob?) and the meteorite world long enough to say that in my opinion, Bob Haag and The Meteorite Men TV show have done nothing but, improve the popularity of meteorites and those men have represented us well. These are the rock stars of our field. To see the look in the eyes of the kids while getting Geoff's autograph is truly a sight to see. Geoff should make us all proud.
>> So, before you knock them please look at the real cause of the problems;
>> 1) It all started when a certain Meteorite Man was (wrongly) jailed for attempting to export a 37 ton iron meteorite from Argentina. {Made the press}
>> 1) We do have NYT articles that put out bad information. {made the press}
>> 2) Whether it's true or not The Egyptian officials themselves say it is illegal to export their meteorites. {made the press}
>> 3) Whether it's true or not We also have India officials saying it is illegal to export it's meteorites. {made the press}
>> 4) We also have incidents where people admit to being tried , convicted and imprisoned for illegal mining of meteorites. And then further publicize it on the local news. {made the press}
>> 5) And of coarse there are all of the news stories about the value of meteorites. {made the press}
>> 6). Too many more stories to list here but, the point is that the situation this field is in today cannot be blamed on any one single thing but can be attributed to many things.
>> I see the field as growing and improving dramatically.
>> Our genius scientists are discovering more and more points of interest and our semi-genius hunters are finding more and more good material.
>> It's all good.
>> Carl
>> Meteoritemax
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>>
>> ---- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Guido Asked:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years
>>> hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the
>>> nation's print media?"
>>>
>>> I am beginning to long for the good old days just a decade ago. I have seen over a dozen countries restrict meteorite hunting including the U.S. in the past few years, many farms and ranches are now off limits due to the perception of being treated, fraud is at an all time high and wackos are coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. Other than that, we are great shape.
>>>
>>> Every time a self-proclaimed spokesperson seeking fleeting fame steps up to the plate, the rest of us are left to deal with the aftermath.
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy Hunting,
>>>
>>> Adam
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