[meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is this?

From: plagioklas at arcor.de <plagioklas_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:02:44 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <1640437239.2147900.1371499364274.JavaMail.ngmail_at_webmail13.arcor-online.net>

This slag was never in space or MIR. Its common slag, which has been placed togfether with many tons of other pieces on the shore of the river to ensure its stability. As Michael Farmer told, the Stone never saw anyone from the NASA. People tell many storys to let their own opinions sound stronger.

The probability that a meteorite looks like this is zero. Most slags have common optical features (mostly certain crystals or materials (glass, metals in form of drops), flow patterns and flowed looking surfaces, certain colors and especially the bubbles). These slags cannot be confused even when one identifies em on a bad quality photo.
Alexander


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Von: cdtucson at cox.net
An: MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Datum: 17.06.2013 20:13
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Life of Slag/Slag-glass ...was What is
 this?

> Elton,
> As always you make some very good points.
> I agree that this is a glassy slag. But, the question is; Where did it come
> from?
> Did the MIR have any glass that could have melted upon re-entry?
> And who at NASA said it came from MIR? To me those are the critical
> questions because if for example A fellow at NASA named Grossman or Korotev
> said it I would tend to believe them. No need for pigeon holing material
> because it "looks" like slag. I know this is a stretch but, Some meteorites
> do look like slag. Look close at a hand specimen ( not a photo) of Vaca
> Muerta .
> Carl
> meteoritemax
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> ---- MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't know which is a sadder example of failed science education: some
> "NASA" "water cooler" engineer issuing a positive ID/letter of authenticity
> for something impossible and under the color of authority of NASA--(Another
> waste-fraud and abuse complaint to be made) OR the entire met central
> membership and not one poster can recognize silicate ==> slag <===on sight.?
> ( I am not saying that "everyone" should be a slag expert just that there
> should be more experts with critical vs casual identification skills given
> all the talent represented here.)
> >
> > A bit more than a few would-be meteorite experts need to spend an extra 3
> hours of field time getting to know ==> slag <== because I can't think of a
> location in the lower 48, nor in all of Europe that would be farther than 3
> hours max from a graveled path or railroad that doesn't have tons of it on
> the surface.? ( I've found slag in Alaska but not in Hawaii where natural
> slag is known as pahoe-pahoe)
> >
> > I was explaining the multitude of reasons that slag is found virtually
> everywhere--including Revolutionary and Civil War foundries, long left
> abandoned to rural pastures when I had someone once argue that his specimen
> couldn't be slag from a rail road because there had never been a railroad
> within miles.? I then showed him on the topo map where an abandoned rail
> right-of-way was less than 200 yards from the dirt road he found his
> "meteor-wrong" along.?
> >
> > Ever since the industrial revolution, the smelting industry has been
> finding every possible way to get rid of it. I know of whole islands and
> whole mountains of slag. Green glassy foamy slag is the most common owing to
> the buoyancy of silicated minerals rising to the top of the mix in any ore
> smelting. Depending on the pre-processing inefficiency, there can be lots
> more slag than metal on each run--hence the need to farm the stuff off on
> others being thankful they had a use for it!? Ballast for road beds, dumping
> it off shore( See The Great Lake Emerald Meteorite saga) or using it for
> shoreline erosion control or using it as gravel for paving are just a few.?
> It is literally everywhere.?
> >
> >
> > It just takes some experience and exposure to become a slag expert.? I
> know first hand after sending some charcoal bearing volcanic glass to the
> Smithsonian for radio-carbon dating a hither-to-unknown volcano from middle
> Tennessee.? Mr Harold Banks returned the sample with a nice letter telling
> that 12 year old that his slag wasn't suitable for dating.? I later found
> that I had pulled it from a Civil War Cannonball foundry.? Point: slag is
> everywhere even if the original source is long gone. The slag last forever
> for human understanding, even across cultures and ages.? There are
> pre-historic slag piles on Cyprus, Italy, Greece, Egypt etc.? It is a
> fallacy of logic to believe that something "can't be slag" because you don't
> know exactly how it came to be in a location. Seems that to believe it
> therefore "came from space" seems to be the corollary which always follows.
> >
> > The most frequent meteor-wrong brought in for identification, we should
> all get to know it by characteristic and by sight so that the kinds of
> disruptions we see every few weeks by the novice insisting that it couldn't
> be slag and must be a meteorite could be simply answered in the FAQ section.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Elton
> >
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