[meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

From: plagioklas at arcor.de <plagioklas_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:02:19 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <1487880174.4250830.1370822539103.JavaMail.ngmail_at_webmail10.arcor-online.net>

I sayd from the beginning these fulgurites are sintered calcite or aragonite with its characteristic features. They grew from inside to outside with constant speed. The rings are continously and the center ones are identical to the outside ones. This structure is absolutely characteristic for sintering. Stalactites are one kind of sintered calcite. Calcareous tufa another. Which one of both it is can only be sayd by the one who pics em up or who knows the exact location.

Even stalagmites and cavepearls can be found on surface. I found even a one foot big half cavepearl like object sticking in the surface of massive rock. No way to take it out. In the direct vincinity was a small hole, i dug my arm into it and found one golf ball sized cavepearl and other sintered objects like some nice calcite specimens even with crystals.

Wherever limestones occures, are stalagmites. They do not need full sized caves. Even small clefts are often neough to form them. So my assumption was reasonable. And stalagmite like objects can also be formed directly on surface or in small lakes. This so called calcareous tufa is similar to stalactites. The lakes with the occurrence may even disappear nad the remaining sintered objects remain in the ground.

One occurrence is in nevada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_Lake_(Nevada)

And very often are such occurrences not alone, because they depend often on the ground. So in the surrounding landscape are maybe other lakes like this with similar stalactites. Any many lakes are maybe gone since long time ago. And calcareous tufa are like stalaktites just rocks. Rocks in flowing water can be floated away. Yea, carbonates solue usually fast, but in the vincinity of calcareous tufa is the water ussually already full of carbonates and cannot solve much more.

And what does make you shure, that it is molten or sticking due melting? I still saw no bubbles. Calcite can attach itself by growing to many kinds of ground. Especially (uhm ... only) in or in the vincinity of carbonate rich waters. Maybe these calcite grew even there.


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
An: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Datum: 10.06.2013 01:35
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer

> Lets take this off the list.? The last I checked you were selling fulgurites
> on eBay and tried to convince me that mine were stalagmites.? A sneaky way
> of trying to eliminate the competition. That's funny, why would they be
> found concentrated in washes, embedded in the ground, with melted and
> weathered granite pebbles sticking to them and miles from the nearest cave
> if they were anything other than what the geologists claimed them to be??
>
>
> It is obvious to me that you do not know what you are talking about.
>
>
> If they were stalagmites,? I would be asking more for them.
>
> You are wasting bandwidth and my time,
>
>
> Over and out,? Good bye!
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> My reason is simple. Even after martin has apologized and all others has
> accepted it, you continued and tried even to give him the fault for your
> unsuccessful ebay auctions.
>
> And you maybe remember, what you sayd about why you complain so much or?
>
> Where is the difference between questionable fulgurites of your shop and
> wrong meteorites in martins shop? I really dont like, what you say and i
> really hate, that you play the white knight of law, while you sell in your
> shop also things, which are questioned and still not tested.
>
> You ask me now for direct mail. Maybe you have forgotten, that i already
> emailed you. You said im not qualified during this mail conversation... have
> you already forgotten it?
>
>
> ----- Original Nachricht ----
> Von:? ? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Datum:? 10.06.2013 01:10
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
>
> > Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or
> > email me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List??
> > This is a Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List!
> >
> >
> > With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites
> and
> > why we should not be angry about fraudulent material placed on the
> market??
> > Or do we need to see more crocodile tears?
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> >
> > If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision.
> >
> > I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for
> > forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own
> > problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must
> also
> > be able to take in.". And we do also say, "Do nothing to others what you
> > dont want, that others do to you.".
> >
> > And i questioned your fulgurites long time before the fake meteorites
> even
> > arrived in their fraudulent ebay auction. And you sayd even during this
> > discussion, that im not qualified. Nice way to handle critics.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > Von:? ?? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> > An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Datum:?? 10.06.2013 00:53
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing
> > other
> > > than you are loyal to Martin.?
> > >
> > > Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
> > > material with fake ID cards, shall we?? Guilty parties always try to
> > shift
> > > blame on others or change the subject.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Martin can explain to rest of us how, with is vast knowledge
> that
> > he
> > > willingly shares, that he was fooled by such obviously fake material??
> > Lets
> > > call it for what it is.
> > >
> > > I see this as defaming a meteorite Icon by using his good name on these
> > > cards done on an inkjet printer.
> > >
> > > WHAT AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN METEORITE LABORATORY!
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > >
> > > Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a
> > qualification.
> > > What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor?
> > >
> > > Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified?
> > Which
> > > qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about
> > > meteorites?
> > >
> > > This is also your way to handle critics. Im wrong because im not
> > qualified.
> > > This ensures, that you are right. And so you dont need to test anything
> > and
> > > you can continue to sell your stuff. Nice solution.
> > >
> > > Wanna see more fulgurites?
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?q=calcareoustufa&biw=1024&bih=637&sei=lfS0UYX8
>
> >
> > > AYSLhQfNt4CQAg&tbm=isch
> > >
> > > Maybe your geologist is welcome here:
> > >
> > > http://tumaren.wildlifedirect.org/2009/04/26/geologist-wanted/
> > >
> > > Nevada is so beautiful:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://chestofbooks.com/science/geology/Intro/The-Chemical-Deposits.html#.Ub
>
> >
> > > UD_KDIFxA
> > > (And yes, where one occurrence is, are often others too, and yes some
> of
> > em
> > > are maybe dry since long long time, its the way how many rocks are
> > created)
> > >
> > > And if my name is so important to be heared, im Alexander Ringel from
> > > Germany.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > > Von:? ?? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> > > An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Datum:?? 10.06.2013 00:25
> > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > >
> > > > In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American
> > Fulgurites.
> > > >
> > > > You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use
> > your
> > > > name. Defend Martin all you want!? He was caught with his hands in
> the
> > > > cookie jar once again and that is the
> > > > only reason he apologized to Mike Farmer who caught him in the act. I
> > > will
> > > > not engage you anymore in the great fulgurite debate since you are
> not
> > > > qualified and will not use your real name on the Meteorite List.?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will trust the opinion of the geologist who supplied me with them
> and
> > > the
> > > > secondary opinion of a researcher who has live out here all of his
> > life.?
> > > > Beside, this is a meteorite List the last I checked.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now let get back to the counterfeit meteorites that were put on the
> > > market,
> > > > shall we?? This is not the first time Martin has done something
> > > fraudulent.?
> > > > Just ask Naveen Jain or the IMCA board that handled the case and
> > anybody
> > > > else who was caught up in the last scandal?
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:59 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > >
> > > > I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks.
> Otherwise
> > i
> > > > wouldnt talk about these here.
> > > >
> > > > Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands
> > of
> > > > samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more
> in
> > > > images. I dont need to tell, how often i watched my own collection. I
> > do
> > > > this just because i love watching and searching minerals. I read
> during
> > > an
> > > > average day at least 5 A4 pages about minerals and rocks to learn
> more.
> > > Of
> > > > course i have many books, among these is one of the biggest and most
> > > > detailled textbooks about minerals, which was available in germany
> > > (R?slers
> > > > Lehrbuch der speziellen Mineralogie), which i bought while i had an
> age
> > > of
> > > > less than 10 years, just because the commom books became too boring.
> I
> > > have
> > > > read every of my books during my live more then 10 times, some even
> so
> > > > often, that they begun to disintegrate.
> > > >
> > > > So i think im maybe even a bit more qualified to identify minerals,
> > than
> > > the
> > > > average people, who study some years and put after this studium the
> > > > textbooks in the corner and do just their jobs.
> > > >
> > > > And i say again, they dont look like fulgurites. Even weathered ones
> > > should
> > > > show glass and especially bubbles.
> > > >
> > > > You say a Nasa geologist? They are not gods, they are also just
> humans.
> > > And
> > > > most geologists are specialised to certain kinds of knowledge to do
> > their
> > > > jobs. You would wonder alot, if you would show common already
> > identified
> > > > mineral samples to a group of common geologists to let em identify
> > these.
> > > > Especially, when they not look like these in the textbooks. Has your
> > > > geologist put some hydrocloric acid on your fulgurites? Or have you?
> > > >
> > > > Occurrences of fulgurites does not mean, that every thing with a hole
> > is
> > > a
> > > > fulgurite and does also not exclude the occurrence of wrong
> fulgurites.
> > > Its
> > > > the same thing as with meteorites. Not every black stone in a desert
> is
> > a
> > > > meteorite and the occurrence of meteorites does not exclude the
> > > occurrence
> > > > of wrongs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > > > Von:? ?? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> > > > An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Datum:?? 09.06.2013 19:10
> > > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > >
> > > > > I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter.?
> > > These
> > > > > were found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look
> > > like
> > > > > more common fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand.? They
> have
> > > > pebbles
> > > > > and course sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash
> > which
> > > is
> > > > > more conductive than the hillsides around? here here in Nevada.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Please do your research before questioning others genuine
> products.?
> > A
> > > > > geologist and ex NASA researcher has already looked these.? As a
> > matter
> > > > of
> > > > > fact, they are found in dry washes all over Arizona and Nevada.
> Some
> > > are
> > > > > standing straight up and have to be dug out of the ground.? Just go
> > to
> > > > > Quartzite Arizona and look at what is being offered at the show.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will not qualify my product again unless you provide your name
> and
> > > > > qualifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not about me, it is about dealers offering fake
> meteorites.?
> > > This
> > > > > should concern you more than Genuine fulgurites found here in
> Nevada.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> > > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > Cc:
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > > >
> > > > > So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of
> any
> > > > > fulgurite i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated
> > iron
> > > > > oxide (limonite) and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red)
> or
> > of
> > > > with
> > > > > iron oxide colored glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown,
> black).
> > > And
> > > > of
> > > > > course you can also tell, where the bubbles are and why these
> > fulguite
> > > > shows
> > > > > inner structures, which looks so similar to typical sinter.
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact these fulgurites deviate in almost every detail from
> > absolutely
> > > > all
> > > > > fulgurites i know and saw (including google picture search). And i
> > saw
> > > > alot
> > > > > of em. Only one thing resembles to common fulgurites,... the hole.
> > But
> > > > > sinter contains also holes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > > > > Von:? ?? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> > > > > An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > Datum:?? 09.06.2013 18:24
> > > > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > > >
> > > > > > These are absolutely genuine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "plagioklas at arcor.de" <plagioklas at arcor.de>
> > > > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > Cc:
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results
> as
> > > > > during
> > > > > > last years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one
> > member
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we
> should
> > > > maybe
> > > > > > talk about these:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning-Strike-Frozen-Glass-4-70g
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -SLICE-NOT-METEORITE-/14092678222
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have they ever seen any hypocloric acid, after i told you, that
> > these
> > > > > > absolutely unique fulgurites are most probably sinter (calcite or
> > > > > > aragonite)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Nachricht ----
> > > > > > Von:? ?? Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > An:? ? ? Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > Datum:?? 09.06.2013 16:51
> > > > > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more
> > reputations
> > > > need
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > be destroyed?? How many times does this have to happen in order
> > to
> > > > > > > completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week
> ever
> > > on
> > > > > eBay
> > > > > > > after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it
> > > > > undermines
> > > > > > > those who vet their products properly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far
> > enough.
> > > > > > > Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and
> then
> > > > > > claiming
> > > > > > > it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far.? Any
> > meteorite
> > > > > dealer
> > > > > > > who has been around for a few years would have recognized this
> > > > material
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to
> fleece
> > > > > > collectors
> > > > > > > out of their hard earned money"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happy Collecting,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > > > > > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > > > > Cc:
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me,
> but
> > > also
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow,
> > but
> > > > they
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > necessary for me to cool down),
> > > > > > > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and
> > > especially
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it.
> > > > > > > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate.
> > > > > > > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike was right
> > > > > > > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the
> > pseudo-Estherville
> > > > > came
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > further circulation,
> > > > > > > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were
> > distributed,
> > > > > > > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community
> was
> > > > > > averted.
> > > > > > > Therefore we have to thank Mike.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper
> > > > knowledge
> > > > > > > about meteorites,
> > > > > > > as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of
> semi-rarely
> > > > > > meteorites
> > > > > > > are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So
> far
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was
> more
> > > easy
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the
> > > > university
> > > > > > > Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one
> > > stone,
> > > > so
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as
> > no
> > > > > > > fragments
> > > > > > > of that stone did exist).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of
> > such
> > > > > fakes
> > > > > > > will appear to the harm of the collectors.
> > > > > > > But the seller seems to be now untraceable.
> > > > > > > His name is:?? Jank? Zolt?n from Hungary. He claimed to have
> > > > purchased
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens
> > > were
> > > > a
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave,
> is:
> > > > > J?zsef
> > > > > > > Vida from Derecske.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us)
> if
> > > > > persons
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > these names contact you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs,
> > mislabeled
> > > > > ones,
> > > > > > > now I failed.
> > > > > > > That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field
> > > > > unforgivable.
> > > > > > > (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave
> > better,
> > > I
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > stay fake-free now till 2046).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa,
> > > > > > > and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed
> > > > > > > to see the sun again..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Martin Altmann
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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