[meteorite-list] what is a... OT

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 08:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1370186712.67251.YahooMailNeo_at_web122005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I do not want to get into a flame war here, only express my opinion.

I am disgusted by what I have been witnessing.? Using AML labels to promote obviously wrong material is sacrilege as far as I am concerned.? Although I do not normally rush to conclusions based on images only, these examples are an insult to even the least seasoned collector who can tell the difference.


The father of modern meteoritics would be hugely disappointed that somebody is using his good name to promote fake material!? I am pretty much just a footnote in the history of meteorites and I know how upset I get when somebody tries to fake one of my labels, piggy-backs or self-pairs to material I have passionately worked on.


Adam





----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT

Hi Adam,

what do you want. The Bondoc and Murchi is here with us and contemporary
suspended from sale,
Farmer brings back the Estherville and will get his refund,
and then we will test it.
Therefore the witch-hunt is paused for 3 weeks+ until after Ensisheim.
(and Art can close that topic until then).

Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam
Hupe
Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 16:48
An: Adam
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT

Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that
ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living.? Maybe in this case,
we should call it an "evasive" species since we are not getting straight
answers. ?

It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams)
living here in Lake Mojave.? They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are
just plain bad news.? They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for
free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even
been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know
for.? Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair
and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more
clams!.?

Definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel
?
Pure stupidity and greed.? ... and for some reason, we all put up with it
and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence.

Adam



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From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Cc: "<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a...??OT


Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word.
Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions
regarding the non-meteorite you sold me.
I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy,
100% agree it is not even a meteorite.
Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us
know how you decided to make me your "Raspberry Toni"? You never answered
one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake
Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of
meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a
fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work
to make myself one. It took some time.

You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong
specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without?
character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily.

You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is
FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces.

I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch
of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of
suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you.

If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such
imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already
be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to
you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian
collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the "Nigeria of Europe" for
scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite.
Sorry, this "Rapsberry Toni" is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake
piece of garbage.
Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me.
They have Estherville from Nininger as well.
Michael Farmer

On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the
> Austro-Bavarian language.
> The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found.
> Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet.
>
> A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so
> excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy
> to short-change.
>
> There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin:
>
> Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece),
>
> or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such
> an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and
> selling raspberries,
>
> or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often
> appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony).
> The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the "archbishop", In
> German "Erzbischof" which sounds similar to "Erbeerschorsch".?
("Erdbeer(e)"
> ("Ground"berry) is the Strawberry, "Schorsch" is the Bavarian form of
> George).
>
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Paul Gessler
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04
> An: meteorite-list
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a...
>
> Can someone please tell me what a "Raspberry Tony" is?????
>
> Thanx
>
> Paul Gessler
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