[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

From: Michael Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:32:38 -0700
Message-ID: <CE172DD6.30B2F%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Right on.
        Michael

On 7/25/13 6:40 PM, "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:

> There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't
> bother anymore.
> If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to
> talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that
> all post need to relate to meteorites.
> While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they
> are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in
> general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you
> say "watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera" for
> example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from
> 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to
> meteorites?
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>
>> because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.
>>
>> I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools
>> etc...
>> The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s
>>
>> The "success" of them were in being able to talk about other topics
>> when there were of interest, of course...
>>
>> I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
>> Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
>> and many other OT subjects here... lately
>>
>> If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
>> Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?
>>
>> When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
>> about meteorites ?
>>
>> If not, why not here ?
>> There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible
>>
>> All the best
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
>> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>
>>> Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related
>>> posts are becoming the
>>> minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government,
>>> politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums
>>> on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to
>>> identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of
>>> spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make
>>> this list about personal rants on government topics not related to
>>> meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it is your way of thinking... not mine
>>>> especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
>>>> since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
>>>> and I will never go to these massroads
>>>>
>>>> I love meteorites for what they are.
>>>> I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
>>>> a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...
>>>>
>>>> And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
>>>> like the sinkholes from Paul H.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> Michael B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
>>>> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>>>> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam"
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>
>>>>> In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on
>>>>> this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi List
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Adam for your posts and links
>>>>>> I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
>>>>>> Now with a "pied-a-terre" in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you
>>>>>> sadly said
>>>>>> for Colorado. (not to get the real "road dogs")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
>>>>>> but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM
>>>>>> rules,
>>>>>> the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our
>>>>>> world today
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
>>>>>> and I am very sad to hear that about USA !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway...
>>>>>> In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
>>>>>> miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple
>>>>>> miles
>>>>>> over the "limit", between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an
>>>>>> hour
>>>>>> in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck
>>>>>> around)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
>>>>>> and 20-30 on Autobahn
>>>>>> btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
>>>>>> but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
>>>>>> off limits...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
>>>>>> Socially responsible... YES
>>>>>> But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Au revoir
>>>>>> Michael B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
>>>>>> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend.
>>>>>>> Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on.
>>>>>>> Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair
>>>>>>> traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too
>>>>>>> lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I
>>>>>>> have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting
>>>>>>> around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may
>>>>>>> be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can
>>>>>>> retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on
>>>>>>> traffic cams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket
>>>>>>> face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with
>>>>>>> them if they are wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the
>>>>>>> United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those
>>>>>>> currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to
>>>>>>> be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our
>>>>>>> freedom of privacy is at stake!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA
>>>>>>> sampler and a butt recognition system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is this on the list?
>>>>>>> Michael Farner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will
>>>>>>>> still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called
>>>>>>>> traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this
>>>>>>>> data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning
>>>>>>>> they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability
>>>>>>>> to retrace your every move if needed in court.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The freedom of privacy is long gone!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement.
>>>>>>>> According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
>>>>>>>> photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
>>>>>>>> use them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This is much more limited in scale and scope," [Matthew Benson, a
>>>>>>>> spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. "You've only got (eight)
>>>>>>>> instances of this throughout the state."
>>>>>>>> http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-spe
>>>>>>>> ed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops.
>>>>>>>>> Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day
>>>>>>>>> 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State
>>>>>>>>> Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even
>>>>>>>>> stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a
>>>>>>>>> ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you
>>>>>>>>> speeding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ticket already printed before stop:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis
>>>>>>>>> shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED
>>>>>>>>> doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter
>>>>>>>>> violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin,
>>>>>>>>> Nevada.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not
>>>>>>>>> want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look
>>>>>>>>> of glee on their face when they pull you over!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>
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