[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

From: Michael Farmer <mike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:40:51 -0700
Message-ID: <411E9E83-AD9A-4E99-861A-9C852BA7C6E3_at_meteoriteguy.com>

There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't bother anymore.
If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites.
While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you say "watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera" for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to meteorites?

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:

> because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.
>
> I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools etc...
> The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s
>
> The "success" of them were in being able to talk about other topics
> when there were of interest, of course...
>
> I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
> Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
> and many other OT subjects here... lately
>
> If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
> Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?
>
> When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
> about meteorites ?
>
> If not, why not here ?
> There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible
>
> All the best
> Michael
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
>> Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related posts are becoming the
>> minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, politics, privacy, there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> it is your way of thinking... not mine
>>> especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
>>> since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
>>> and I will never go to these massroads
>>>
>>> I love meteorites for what they are.
>>> I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
>>> a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...
>>>
>>> And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
>>> like the sinkholes from Paul H.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Michael B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
>>> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>>> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>
>>>> In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi List
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Adam for your posts and links
>>>>> I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
>>>>> Now with a "pied-a-terre" in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.
>>>>>
>>>>> In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you sadly said
>>>>> for Colorado. (not to get the real "road dogs")
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
>>>>> but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM rules,
>>>>> the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our world today
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
>>>>> and I am very sad to hear that about USA !
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway...
>>>>> In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
>>>>> miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple miles
>>>>> over the "limit", between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour
>>>>> in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being
>>>>> on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck around)
>>>>>
>>>>> In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
>>>>> and 20-30 on Autobahn
>>>>> btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
>>>>> but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
>>>>> off limits...
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
>>>>> Socially responsible... YES
>>>>> But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...
>>>>>
>>>>> Au revoir
>>>>> Michael B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
>>>>> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair traffic violation citations. It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job. I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going a few miles over the limit! It is pretty bad when you can retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if they are wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be ousted! What ever happened to warrants and probable cause? Our freedom of privacy is at stake!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA sampler and a butt recognition system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this on the list?
>>>>>> Michael Farner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year. They are called traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this data for an undetermined period of time. The cameras have OCR meaning they can read your license plate numbers. This gives them the ability to retrace your every move if needed in court.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The freedom of privacy is long gone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of thousands of cameras? Might be a bit of an overstatement.
>>>>>>> According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
>>>>>>> photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
>>>>>>> use them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This is much more limited in scale and scope," [Matthew Benson, a
>>>>>>> spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. "You've only got (eight)
>>>>>>> instances of this throughout the state."
>>>>>>> http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops. Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit. She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped as witnessed on camera. In Arizona, they will just send you a ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you speeding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit:
>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ticket already printed before stop:
>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court:
>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED doesn't lie. Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin, Nevada.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look of glee on their face when they pull you over!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
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