[meteorite-list] ED fix

From: Art Jones <art.jones_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 15:07:06 +0000
Message-ID: <D8085F1D-0047-453A-A0CB-51049B69AA99_at_iscs.com>

Yes let's end this thread on a high note; Great post Sonny!

Regards, Art

On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "wahlperry at aol.com" <wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret.
>
> Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office-
> Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out.
>
> All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to.
>
> Sonny
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
>
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> We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I
> know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me.
> Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by
> us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and
> somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see
> the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our
> exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was
> hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our
> location away.
>
>
> It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or
> vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its
> citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding
> fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem
> to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around.
>
>
> We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the
> searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty
> soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off
> limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners.
> Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite
> hunters?
>
>
> If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it,
>
>
> Adam
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> ________________________________
> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: James Beauchamp <falcon99 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Thunder Stone <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>;
> Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
>
>
> Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that
> chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA
> computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before
> pocket watch.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp <falcon99 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was
> out of
> showing off and fun. Far from any malice.
>>
>> As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air
> force career,
> I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough
> training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are
> extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon
> school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the
> aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill
> them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the
> airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that
> like to smack pilots that don't pay attention.
>>
>> They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list
> with just
> enough in the tanks to land with a couple of thousand pounds of reserve fuel.
>>
>> Like an over-tasked soccer mom with 1000 kids in the back of the
> mini-van,
> they are concentrating on much more serious things than people waling around on
> the desert floor :)
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/4/13, Thunder Stone <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Thunder Stone <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
>>> To: "James Beauchamp" <falcon99 at sbcglobal.net>, "Adam Hupe"
> <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
>>> I've had jets fly low while meteorite
>>> hunting and thought it was really cool... never thought
>>> anything negative about it at all.
>>> GregS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: James Beauchamp
>>> Sent: 5 Jul 2013 02:27:13 GMT
>>> To: Adam Hupe
>>> Cc: Adam
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
>>>
>>> The pilot of the F-18 really wasn't concerned about you, the
>>> little specks on the ground. Worse case, he was doing
>>> his (or her) normal training route, saw some people and
>>> decided to give you a small air show out of fun. You
>>> got a cool treat from an aviator, not a scare tactic.
>>> They have enough on their plate monitoring the aircraft
>>> systems and staying on schedule. Posse commitatus is
>>> still strongly enforced.
>>>
>>> A lot of you are freaking out over non-existent
>>> boogeymen. What you should be asking
>>> yourselves is what really led to the BLM policy. As a
>>> lurker on this list for a couple of years, I've noticed a
>>> few of you, through your arrogance and willingness to
>>> disregard existing laws and regulations, probably
>>> contributed directly to the change. Those of us trying
>>> to take the high road have to suffer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 4, 2013, at 19:21, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One more thing of interest.
>>>>
>>>> Our group consisting of my wife, Zann von Hupe, Dr. Ted
>>> Bumch and myself were literately in the middle of nowhere
>>> here in Nevada on a mountain side and were buzzed by an F-18
>>> jet. The pilot turned the jet sideways, matched our
>>> altitude and hit his afterburners just to let us know that
>>> he knew we were there. He flew so close to us that we
>>> could see his helmet and face-shield as he turned his head
>>> to get a better look at us.
>>>>
>>>> My question is; what device gave up our position?
>>>>
>>>> No, we were not doing anything wrong and Dr. bunch was
>>> extremely angry about being buzzed so close because it
>>> startled all us and we could have lost our footing on the
>>> steep slopes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam
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