[meteorite-list] What I just learned about 'Finds'

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:42:12 -0500
Message-ID: <20130111104212.2WMWA.618676.imail_at_fed1rmwml304>

Kevin,
This is why I posted the following question to Jeff that you evidently missed? I had the same concern about how can we be sure the find is from the fall we think it's from? Without a Scientific test it is well, a guess at best. Because as noted in the question to Jeff, Visual Freshness alone matters not. So, other than the case where someone comes home to find a big hole in the roof and a big rock sitting on the floor inside (an obvious unobserved fall) it seems to me their needs to be a verifiable way to prove when it fell otherwise we will see mistakes even if by accident. Because as already stated, " we see falling stars all the time that you could attribute to your find". In my previous post back on the 7th I asked;

" Jeff,
 Thanks once again for your information.
 I have a question;
What degree of accuracy does Science have in calculating the exact time a
meteorite fell? Is this calculation within one day, one week , one month, one
year, or within ten years? which is it and how certain can Science be? Just for
one example of why I ask; If I recall correctly, Farmer found a second fall
find in Spain (name escapes me at the moment but, was in an olive grove?) about
one year later than his first fall find and it still looked fresh. Thanks.
Carl
meteoritemax

-- 
Cheers 
 
---- Jeff Grossman <jngrossman at gmail.com> wrote: 
--
Cheers"
Carl
Meteoritemax
---- Kevin Kichinka <marsrox at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Team Meteorite:
> 
> I contributed to the list a couplf of days ago what I thought was a
> fun, satire piece on Dr. Jeff Grossman's humbly proffered and
> revolutionary system to characterize 'finds'. I followed this issue in
> the archives, and must admit I just didn't agree with this
> complication I felt would end up becoming another marketing tool to
> raise prices. But what I perceived wasn't the reality.
> 
> At the end of the 'hilarity' I concluded that "smarter folks than me
> will decide this issue. I'm glad Jeff is trying something new. "
> 
> And it didn't take long for those 'smarter folks' to inform me of what
> the real issue is. And it's not about anything 'funny'.
> 
> Some folks among us are trying to pass off fresh meteorites as
> something they are not for major monetary gain.
> 
> We all know that there are constant reports of meteors- observed by
> radar or witnesses- that are not recovered.
> 
> "Wait, here's one!"
> 
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> 
> It is financially and legally difficult for entrusted parties to
> counter such a claim of a 'freshly recovered fall', even if it
> completely chemically matches a known meteorite.
> 
> If this was Jeff's intention, to try to create some framework to
> 'signal' the legitimacy of a claimed, recovered fall, I don't know,
> and I don't want to 'assume' this. I've already done the 'ass thing'
> once.
> 
> But knowing now about this subterfuge, I for one, will open my ears
> and eyes (and shut my mouth and lay down my quill) to consider
> anything Jeff suggests that will help all of us avoid purchasing such
> illicit material.
> 
> And as I wrote, and sincerely meant, "I'm glad Jeff is trying something new."
> 
> Let's hope he succeeds.
> 
> Kevin Kichinka
> Rio del Oro, Costa Rica
> 'The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013'
> www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
> (also available as an ebook on Amazon/Barnes and Noble)
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