[meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)

From: Jim Strope <faq4q_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:10:42 -0500
Message-ID: <D5D1AC33-A7DA-4C11-AE55-A4BB4466D17D_at_yahoo.com>

"Rookie Planetary Dealers"....... You hit the nail on the head Adam.

Jim Strope
421 4th Street
Glen Dale, WV. 26038

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On Feb 19, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Tissint is a perfect example of what can go wrong if a dealer or two get in too deep with credit cards or don't truly know the market. They can't handle the pressure, panic and then dump at the first sign of competition. If they would have priced it correctly from the beginning, they would have avoided a lot of the turmoil that centers around falls. Compound the problem with more and more supply coming onto the Moroccan market from multiple sources and collectors lose the ability to determine TAW undermining value and confidence.
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> A few fortunate and smart major collectors put out the money and took advantage of rookie planetary dealers' mistakes.
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> If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen and let others with more experience prevail! Know your market and do not let emotion or hype influence your decisions to a great degree!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
> Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
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> I agree, Tissint was extremely underpriced. The evidence is that there is virtually none on the market a year later. All nice pieces vanished into collections. I will take Tissint over a Martian find any day of the week.
> Michael Farmer
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> On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> So where does this leave Tissint...one of the most undervalued
>> meteorites of all time. If it had come down as it did , but in the USA
>> or UK...what would have the price been....and yet what is the
>> difference. Pricing at the moment has gone bonkers.
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>> Graham
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>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>>> Adam, those who bought black beauty for $20,000 gram will lose 90%.
>>> I expect this Russia fall to be couple bucks a gram for larger material.
>>> Anyone paying $50+ gram for this will be an idiot just like those buying fakes on eBay. Please don't stoop to calling this a boring ordinary meteorite, it isn't!
>>> Call it anything you want, a nuclear-bomb blast magnitude common chondrite on the news 24/7 for last 5 days, "Gimme Gimme gimme"!
>>> Michael Farmer
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>> This is what makes meteorite collecting interesting. Some prefer falls and some prefer rare types. I am saying that historically, there is way more bang for the buck in a planetary piece than a fall unless it is a planetary fall. The last Martian fall maintains around 40% of the initial offering price whereas the last several chondrite falls only maintains about 10-20% of their initial offer price. For the most part, unless some dealer becomes desperate and charges way too much on his credit card, Planetary finds have the best record for maintaining price in the long run.
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>>>> With over a dozen falls a year, Ordinary Chondrite falls are literately a dime a dozen these days, excuse the pun. You can purchase very old witnessed falls at a bargain by comparison to more recent falls with asking prices much higher. I would prefer very old falls for investment purposes.
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>>>> I like planetary pieces above all else and to me, they will always be king.
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>>>> Adam
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>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Adam, but this fall has been seen in every country and every tv in the world. I would not expect it to be expensive because for sure thousands of stones will be recovered. The price on black beauty is insane, already dropping and I have Moroccans begging me to buy it. This Russian fall has excited the world, my sales are surging because of interest.
>>>> I will take a bet with you, this Russian meteorite will fill every collection in the world and Black beauty will be owned by very few people.
>>>> I know where I am going to put my money.
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>>>> Michael Farmer
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>>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>> In my opinion, the Martian Breccia is far more important than an Ordinary Chondrite and will hold its value better than a witnessed fall with thousands of pieces on the market.. A witnessed fall may very well lose 90% of its value within a month or two once its coolness factor wears off. The real story is in the event and once the limited amount of collectors get their hands on some, the demand drops off quickly. On the other hand, the way overpriced Martian meteorite will be appreciated much longer unless pairings and competition drag the price down.
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>>>>> I always wait at least six months before investing in either one so that I am am not paying 4 to 10 times its settled value.
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>>>>> Adam
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>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>> To: Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk>; "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
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>>>>> I'll take the Martian if we are playing that game.
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>>>>> Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>>>> Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating! :)
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>>>>>> Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the
>>>>>> Martian..
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>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mendy
>>>>>> Ouzillou
>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 15:57
>>>>>> To: Michael Farmer; Matt Morgan
>>>>>> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick
>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed, they are both cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if Schrodinger's cat can be dead and alive at the same time, I would
>>>>>> ignore the rules and get both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mendy Ouzillou
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>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>> To: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>>>>>>> <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:35 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But one problem, the Russian fall is likely going to be relatively
>>>>>> cheap, I am sure hundreds of kilos will be found and the price will
>>>>>> likely be low. For $500 people will be able to buy one or many stones.
>>>>>> $500 in black beauty gets you a speck hardly identifiable as a
>>>>>> meteorite.
>>>>>>> Both are very interesting meteorites, scientifically the Mars is more
>>>>>> interesting but dynamically the Russian fall is history-book material.
>>>>>>> No comparison in my opinion:)
>>>>>>> I'll be in Russia very soon, so get your pennies counted:) Michael
>>>>>>> Farmer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why discriminate? Both are history-making meteorites in their own
>>>>>> rights. Black Beauty is not just another Mars rock and the Russian fall
>>>>>> is far from ordinary. We should see this as an opportunity (if there is
>>>>>> the opportunity to own the Russian fall) and them both to our
>>>>>> collections.
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul at
>>>>>>>>> the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14
>>>>>>>>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick
>>>>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of
>>>>>> meteorites/asteroids!
>>>>>>>>> So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small
>>>>>>>>> fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the
>>>>>> choices:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the recent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can
>>>>>>>>> never have the other!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>>>>>> Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
>>>>>>>>> www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960
>>>>>>>>>
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