[meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)

From: Don Merchant <dmerchan_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:53:48 -0500
Message-ID: <002d01ce0eeb$991a3ca0$6401a8c0_at_donaldmerchant>

Mike when do plan on heading to Russia?
Don Merchant
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)


> Completely agree, my partners as I bought over a million dollars in
> Tissint in less than a month. Great meteorite, great price. There are no
> large pieces on the market today. That tells me it was too cheap. I am
> happy to have a nice hoard of it for the future.
> I will try to do the same with the Russian fall.
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Tissint is a perfect example of what can go wrong if a dealer or two get
>> in too deep with credit cards or don't truly know the market. They can't
>> handle the pressure, panic and then dump at the first sign of
>> competition. If they would have priced it correctly from the beginning,
>> they would have avoided a lot of the turmoil that centers around falls.
>> Compound the problem with more and more supply coming onto the Moroccan
>> market from multiple sources and collectors lose the ability to determine
>> TAW undermining value and confidence.
>>
>> A few fortunate and smart major collectors put out the money and took
>> advantage of rookie planetary dealers' mistakes.
>>
>> If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen and let others with
>> more experience prevail! Know your market and do not let emotion or hype
>> influence your decisions to a great degree!
>>
>>
>> Adam
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> To: Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Adam
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick
>> one)
>>
>> I agree, Tissint was extremely underpriced. The evidence is that there is
>> virtually none on the market a year later. All nice pieces vanished into
>> collections. I will take Tissint over a Martian find any day of the week.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So where does this leave Tissint...one of the most undervalued
>>> meteorites of all time. If it had come down as it did , but in the USA
>>> or UK...what would have the price been....and yet what is the
>>> difference. Pricing at the moment has gone bonkers.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Adam, those who bought black beauty for $20,000 gram will lose 90%.
>>>> I expect this Russia fall to be couple bucks a gram for larger
>>>> material.
>>>> Anyone paying $50+ gram for this will be an idiot just like those
>>>> buying fakes on eBay. Please don't stoop to calling this a boring
>>>> ordinary meteorite, it isn't!
>>>> Call it anything you want, a nuclear-bomb blast magnitude common
>>>> chondrite on the news 24/7 for last 5 days, "Gimme Gimme gimme"!
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is what makes meteorite collecting interesting. Some prefer
>>>>> falls and some prefer rare types. I am saying that historically,
>>>>> there is way more bang for the buck in a planetary piece than a fall
>>>>> unless it is a planetary fall. The last Martian fall maintains around
>>>>> 40% of the initial offering price whereas the last several chondrite
>>>>> falls only maintains about 10-20% of their initial offer price. For
>>>>> the most part, unless some dealer becomes desperate and charges way
>>>>> too much on his credit card, Planetary finds have the best record for
>>>>> maintaining price in the long run.
>>>>>
>>>>> With over a dozen falls a year, Ordinary Chondrite falls are
>>>>> literately a dime a dozen these days, excuse the pun. You can
>>>>> purchase very old witnessed falls at a bargain by comparison to more
>>>>> recent falls with asking prices much higher. I would prefer very old
>>>>> falls for investment purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like planetary pieces above all else and to me, they will always be
>>>>> king.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>> pick one)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Adam, but this fall has been seen in every country and every tv
>>>>> in the world. I would not expect it to be expensive because for sure
>>>>> thousands of stones will be recovered. The price on black beauty is
>>>>> insane, already dropping and I have Moroccans begging me to buy it.
>>>>> This Russian fall has excited the world, my sales are surging because
>>>>> of interest.
>>>>> I will take a bet with you, this Russian meteorite will fill every
>>>>> collection in the world and Black beauty will be owned by very few
>>>>> people.
>>>>> I know where I am going to put my money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, the Martian Breccia is far more important than an
>>>>>> Ordinary Chondrite and will hold its value better than a witnessed
>>>>>> fall with thousands of pieces on the market.. A witnessed fall may
>>>>>> very well lose 90% of its value within a month or two once its
>>>>>> coolness factor wears off. The real story is in the event and once
>>>>>> the limited amount of collectors get their hands on some, the demand
>>>>>> drops off quickly. On the other hand, the way overpriced Martian
>>>>>> meteorite will be appreciated much longer unless pairings and
>>>>>> competition drag the price down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always wait at least six months before investing in either one so
>>>>>> that I am am not paying 4 to 10 times its settled value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>> To: Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk>;
>>>>>> "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>>>>>> <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>>> pick one)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll take the Martian if we are playing that game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the
>>>>>>> Martian..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Mendy
>>>>>>> Ouzillou
>>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 15:57
>>>>>>> To: Michael Farmer; Matt Morgan
>>>>>>> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed, they are both cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if Schrodinger's cat can be dead and alive at the same time, I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> ignore the rules and get both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>>> To: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>>>>>>>> <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:35 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But one problem, the Russian fall is likely going to be relatively
>>>>>>> cheap, I am sure hundreds of kilos will be found and the price will
>>>>>>> likely be low. For $500 people will be able to buy one or many
>>>>>>> stones.
>>>>>>> $500 in black beauty gets you a speck hardly identifiable as a
>>>>>>> meteorite.
>>>>>>>> Both are very interesting meteorites, scientifically the Mars is
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> interesting but dynamically the Russian fall is history-book
>>>>>>> material.
>>>>>>>> No comparison in my opinion:)
>>>>>>>> I'll be in Russia very soon, so get your pennies counted:) Michael
>>>>>>>> Farmer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why discriminate? Both are history-making meteorites in their own
>>>>>>> rights. Black Beauty is not just another Mars rock and the Russian
>>>>>>> fall
>>>>>>> is far from ordinary. We should see this as an opportunity (if there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the opportunity to own the Russian fall) and them both to our
>>>>>>> collections.
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Ford <mark.ford at southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14
>>>>>>>>>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
>>>>>>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>>> one)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of
>>>>>>> meteorites/asteroids!
>>>>>>>>>> So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small
>>>>>>>>>> fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the
>>>>>>> choices:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the
>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can
>>>>>>>>>> never have the other!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>>>>>>> Don Merchant
>>>>>>>>>> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
>>>>>>>>>> www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960
>>>>>>>>>>
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