[meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt -

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 21:27:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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WELL SAID MIKEG....AND DITTO!

Count Deiro
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2013 11:04 AM
>To: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC
>
>Discovery, Learning Channel, and A&E are wastelands of tripe now. I
>remember when TLC had "learning" on it. I remember when Discovery was
>about science. I remember when A&E had "arts" on it. Now it's Dog
>the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what
>they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out
>contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian
>channel is getting a little dodgy.
>
> I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless
>"binoculars" that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best
>optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the
>world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars
>for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of
>scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those
>advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from
>advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print
>magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless
>junk on their readers and viewers.
>
>I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt.
>
>Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than
>they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into
>File 13.
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
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>On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>> I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have
>> been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it
>> might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show
>> sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like
>> buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want
>> to hear about happy things, little puppies and "Hannibal Nectar's" lost
>> razor blade:)
>> Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop
>> donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this
>> garbage.
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Farmer, why is posing a "could be" statement stupid? They say
>>> "could be" because those things "could be" true. They're probably
>>> not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could
>>> be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this
>>> list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their
>>> panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to
>>> the producers and express your displeasure. It "could be" that you do
>>> not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy
>>> some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle,
>>> American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter,
>>> Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs?
>>>
>>> And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do
>>> with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the
>>> Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for
>>> official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a
>>> result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real
>>> life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to
>>> the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a "could
>>> be" statement, too. Such a vicious circle.
>>>
>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> It is just really stupid to say that "this could be Kitt Carson's powder
>>>> horn" or "Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade". This is entertainment for the
>>>> lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on
>>>> National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would
>>>> have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching
>>>> this phony drivel.
>>>> I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done
>>>> them all, successfully.
>>>> These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that
>>>> they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly
>>>> focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through
>>>> years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain
>>>> shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock
>>>> picked up?
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "Bob Loeffler" <bloeffler at peaktopeak.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20
>>>>> years
>>>>> or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and
>>>>> Gold
>>>>> Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite
>>>>> hobbies
>>>>> (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes,
>>>>> they
>>>>> are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just
>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much
>>>>> something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a
>>>>> really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was
>>>>> worth
>>>>> around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've
>>>>> added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6
>>>>> episodes
>>>>> of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I
>>>>> can
>>>>> remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be
>>>>> priced
>>>>> at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view.
>>>>> Would I
>>>>> pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that
>>>>> might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay
>>>>> $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them
>>>>> DID
>>>>> wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from
>>>>> a
>>>>> reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes
>>>>> had
>>>>> lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of
>>>>> cool
>>>>> looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for "doing the right
>>>>> thing" and not putting a hefty price tag on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the
>>>>> beast
>>>>> (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having
>>>>> fun,
>>>>> doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM.
>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>> annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael
>>>>> Mulgrew
>>>>> said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others
>>>>> that
>>>>> they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. "we got
>>>>> permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever
>>>>> you
>>>>> go") and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead
>>>>> grass,
>>>>> etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about
>>>>> someone
>>>>> (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these
>>>>> guys
>>>>> leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just went to the Diggers website
>>>>> (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that
>>>>> Diggers
>>>>> adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that
>>>>> the
>>>>> historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any
>>>>> way."
>>>>> So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bob L.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> Farmer
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM
>>>>> To: Michael Mulgrew
>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight
>>>>> NGC
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat
>>>>> Geo
>>>>> channel has sunk so low.
>>>>> Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of
>>>>> anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink
>>>>> so
>>>>> low.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam and list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand,
>>>>>> from the "Diggers" themselves) that they do not keep anything they
>>>>>> find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have
>>>>>> roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used
>>>>>> solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect
>>>>>> of a cable television show. You and all other treasure hunters know
>>>>>> that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't
>>>>>> for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about
>>>>>> treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and
>>>>>> getting crazy when they find something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the "real
>>>>>> world" practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the
>>>>>> target audiences for these types of shows. If I was the worlds
>>>>>> greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm
>>>>>> sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of
>>>>>> us elite and dedicated Pickers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not
>>>>>> meant to be taken seriously. Mainstream network news
>>>>>> (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these
>>>>>> shows, and I view it in the same light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits. These
>>>>>>> guys
>>>>> on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community.
>>>>> Treasure
>>>>> hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode
>>>>> knowing
>>>>> that these guys violate the rules and are ruining it for everybody
>>>>> else.
>>>>> The Cascade Treasure Hunting Club reminds its members that these guys
>>>>> are
>>>>> just rogue entertainers and that they are not real treasure hunters who
>>>>> tend
>>>>> to keep their finds to themselves or only share them with other club
>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets go find some "Nectar" , "Juice" and "Roundness", baby talk terms
>>>>> used on the show that no real treasure hunter would get caught dead
>>>>> using in
>>>>> the field!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
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