[meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:07:04 -0700
Message-ID: <7D96B700FD9B466E907967393B59651E_at_bosoheadPC>

This entire topic could be re-titled under a new heading:
"Watch out, freedom,
We are the Government and We are here to protect you."



----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120


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> It is no surprise at all the government doesn't want citizens investing in
> gold thus making it impossible to get new mines open. Then reclassifying
> gold, platinum and silver bullion as collectables under a healthcare
> reform act so that they can bump them up to the highest capitol gains tax
> bracket serves to prove this as well. They want you to support the federal
> reserve by buying bonds so that they can continue to print $.
>
> I think the BLM needs to be contacted and the truth be told that there are
> not millions of dollars worth of meteorites lying around for the taking on
> federal land. These idiotic new rules will just serve to push the small
> market underground. It will not be long before they start policing eBay
> and the shows again for meteorites found on dry lake beds and washes.
>
> At least when a drunken sailor blows threw money, it is his own!
>
> Adam
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com>
> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
>
> Not meaning to get off topic, but check your facts Mike. That is not
> true - nobody was trying to open the Grand Canyon National Park to mining.
>
> The mining closures "at the Grand Canyon", that people have challenged are
> OUTSIDE the Grand Canyon Park Boundaries, on land that has been open for
> claiming since mining claims have been granted. So it is not true that
> they are trying to mine the Grand Canyon and certainly nobody is trying to
> rape it.
>
> What has happened is companies have spent millions to develop claims in
> good faith, on land they were guaranteed as open to claiming. Basically
> the Feds changed the zoning on them, after they have poured a lot of money
> into their projects.
>
> Nobody is trying to open mines inside the Grand Canyon! They are
> challenging the unlawful closure of claimable land. Congress creates park
> land, not the executive.
>
> This administration is basically abusing their power by expanding park
> boundaries without technically doing so. Just like they have inacted these
> new BLM rules with no PUBLIC INPUT!
>
> Don't listen to the talking points and dig into the situation a little.
> Look at the maps of the park and the maps of the lands closed to claiming.
> They are not park lands....
>
> Sorry to get political, but the truth is our legislature turned a $3B
> budget deficet into a $400M surplus. Something I wish the Feds would do...
>
> We need to craft a response to these new BLM rules and begin to push back.
> That is our only hope to change things.
>
> Mark Bowling
> Vail, AZ
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: Paul H. <oxytropidoceras at cox.net>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
>
> This was talked about last year by our amazing Arizona government as a way
> to open mining in Grand Canyon, a horrible idea by them to profit from the
> rape of our most beautiful national park! The state wants "sovereignty" to
> pillage anything of value. This same state government and our esteemed
> governor sold the state capital building I fund the government during the
> downturn, only to pay it off and buy it back last year, a $130,000,000
> "million" dollar scam and loss to the taxpayers.
> We can not trust them to take care of anything.
> Go Feds, tell Brewer to "shove off". Since the federal government bought
> Arizona, all federal lands need to be protected from these short-sighted
> politicians looking to line their own pockets!
>
> Michael Farmer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:26 AM, "Paul H." <oxytropidoceras at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> In ?New BLM Rules? at
>> http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2012-September/087388.html
>> Jim Wooddell wrote,
>>
>> ?In light of these new meteorite rules, the people
>> of AZ have Proposition 120 to consider. In a nut
>> shell, it's AZ telling the Feds to go pound sand and
>> reclaim sovereignty they should have had in the
>> first place.... which is a states right! Something we
>> all should seriously look at and consider. I know
>> politics are vodoo here...so I wont state an my
>> opinion. It does directly effect meteorite hunting
>> in the State of AZ. How this plays out will be
>> interesting, to say the least.?
>>
>> There is an article about Proposition 120 in:
>>
>> Proposition Challenges Control Of Federal Lands
>> Move to seize 25 million acres divides candidates
>> for Legislature by Pete Aleshire, Payson Roundup,
>> September 23, 2012.
>>
>> http://www.paysonroundup.com/news/2012/sep/14/proposition-challenges-control-federal-lands/
>>
>> The article states:
>>
>> ?Many opponents maintain that the whole crusade
>> amounts to a waste of time and effort, since federal
>> courts have repeatedly ruled that federal law takes
>> precedence over state law and that states have no
>> power to nullify federal law, including the landmark
>> Cooper v. Aaron case in 1958. The federal government
>> acquired much of Arizona from Mexico through the
>> Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican-
>> American War. The federal government acquired the
>> rest of the territory through the Gadsen Purchase. By
>> contrast, the 13 original colonies entered the union
>> with very little public land.
>>
>> As a result, a number of independent legal scholars
>> have concluded that the federal courts would quickly
>> overturn the measure even if it passes, according to
>> an analysis of the proposition published by the
>> Morrison Institute for Public Policy.?
>>
>> Look at:
>>
>> Perkins, E. J., 2012, Understanding Arizona's Propositions:
>> 2012 Series. Prop 120 ? State Sovereignty Act. Morrison
>> Institute for Public Policy, Arizona State University, Phoenix,
>> Arizona
>>
>> http://morrisoninstitute.asu.edu/2012-understanding-arizonas-propositions/2012-prop-120-state-sovereignty-act
>>
>> I would not hold my breathe waiting for proposition
>> 120 to change matters as far as the BLM goes.
>>
>> Also, one result of proposition 120 would be to turn
>> all national parks, including the Grand Canyon, within
>> Arizona to the state of Arizona, who could then sell
>> this property to private individuals and corporation
>> to do what they want with them. Destroying all of the
>> national park system within Arizona seems to be a
>> steep price to pay for getting rid of BLM regulations
>> that people do not like.
>>
>> Also, you may find state officials no different, or even
>> worse, than federal officials with which to deal. Be
>> careful for what you wish.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Paul H.
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