[meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

From: jason utas <jasonutas_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:42:47 -0700
Message-ID: <CAK837U2kh217AERVkSOrXfV8RrhnFWbmChVc5tA5YFJs7YBKTA_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hola,
Everyone should have the benefit of the doubt, but I'm awaiting other
photos. Even stones like Bouse and those "Mifflins" had to have a
"finder." At the moment, nothing more than suspect. It could have
been cleaned strangely or just be a very odd Holbrook. But...when
things stick out, it's best to be cautious.
Regards,
Jason



> From: Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>
>
> I guess we stand corrected...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stuart McDaniel <actionshooting at carolina.rr.com>
> To: Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com>; meteorite-list
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> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>
> The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one
> to find it.
>
>
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> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bowling
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM
> To: meteorite-list
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>
> I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right.
>
> It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in
> person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines
> them up, it can really change the look of them.
>
> I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I
> thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the
> difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after
> being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking
> (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have).
>
> But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust.
> It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a
> lot, like being carried in a pocket (???).
>
> Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me
> (the seller could be on the up and up).
>
> Mark
>
> P.S nice finds Jim!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>
> Hello Jim,
> I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook.
> I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off.
> It's quite different.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jason!
>>
>> So what do you think about this one?
>>
>> http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg
>> which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>> Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but
>>> always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been
>>> mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places
>>> where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually.
>>>
>>> But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting.
>>>
>>> The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has
>>> "remnant-crust," or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust,
>>> which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's.
>>>
>>> If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has
>>> weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen.
>>>
>>> A real one:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7206
>>>
>>> Note the fine detail still present on the crust.
>>>
>>> And again:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7046
>>>
>>> Jim Steele is also offering "Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and
>>> Park Forest." Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have
>>> purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any
>>> fingers here.
>>>
>>> Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>>>> To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>, Meteorite List
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more
>>>> Holbrook than anyone on the list...
>>>> Steve....whaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient
>>>> To form an opinion?
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that
>>>>> looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in
>>>>> 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate
>>>>> with "recently" found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there
>>>>> are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before
>>>>> I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know
>>>>> not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I
>>>>> can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on
>>>>> responses, I will let everyone know the verdict.
>>>>> http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mendy
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
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