[meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

From: Stuart McDaniel <actionshooting_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:30:23 -0400
Message-ID: <DCF62C208F8D4CA3AEB2CA35AA996361_at_StuartMcDaniel>

The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to
find it.




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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bowling
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right.

It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I
would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can
really change the look of them.

I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I
knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when
I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of
many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as
found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have).

But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just
looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being
carried in a pocket (???).

Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the
seller could be on the up and up).

Mark

P.S nice finds Jim!




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From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

Hello Jim,
I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook.
I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off.
It's quite different.
Regards,
Jason

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Jason!
>
> So what do you think about this one?
>
> http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg
> which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but
>> always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been
>> mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places
>> where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually.
>>
>> But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting.
>>
>> The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has
>> "remnant-crust," or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust,
>> which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's.
>>
>> If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has
>> weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen.
>>
>> A real one:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7206
>>
>> Note the fine detail still present on the crust.
>>
>> And again:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7046
>>
>> Jim Steele is also offering "Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and
>> Park Forest." Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have
>> purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any
>> fingers here.
>>
>> Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>>> To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>, Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more
>>> Holbrook than anyone on the list...
>>> Steve....whaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient
>>> To form an opinion?
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that
>>>> looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found
>>>> it in
>>>> 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I
>>>> associate
>>>> with "recently" found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know
>>>> there
>>>> are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so
>>>> before
>>>> I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I
>>>> know
>>>> not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account,
>>>> I
>>>> can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and
>>>> based on
>>>> responses, I will let everyone know the verdict.
>>>> http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mendy
>>>>
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