[meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership

From: Steve Dunklee <steve.dunklee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1349301640.66196.YahooMailClassic_at_web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

All of this really depends on the state you live in and the state laws. It is up to each individual to research this for the area they plan to search.
    Typically in Arkansas counties, the land owner owns the property to the center of the roadway, or as described in the deed where cities have claimed ownership.
    In most cases you own the property to the center of the road so the acreage can still be taxed. Yet the county or state retains right of way.
    If you have a road on your property and buy all the land on both sides of the road . you can have the road closed if you own the entire length of the road.
   It may be that in BLM lands, the BLM still owns the land of the road yet maintains a right of way to the state.
   Cheers
Steve Dunklee

--- On Wed, 10/3/12, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and Ownership
> To: "Michael Mulgrew" <mikestang at gmail.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 8:15 PM
> Hey Michael and List,
>
> All you have to do..is what I have done. Call, or Email, the
> source at BLM that I posted and propose the question. Why
> are we doubting each other on the LIST? You want the truth
> as much as I do.
>
> Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Oct 3, 2012 10:47 AM
> >To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>,
> Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting and
> Ownership
> >
> >Count Deiro and list,
> >
> >Really?? Well I guess I learned my new thing for
> the day and I can go home!? :)
> >
> >I've never come across anything like the Count described
> before, I am
> >assuming it's only practiced in remote rural
> locations?? Now my
> >curiosity have been sparked, as state departments of
> transportaion are
> >typically VERY protective of their right-of-ways, a case
> can be made
> >for them being more stringent than the BLM in several
> regards.? Even
> >my boss, who had double my years of experience, had
> never heard of
> >this.? I would love to see a specific example, time
> to do some
> >research!
> >
> >Best,
> >Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> >On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >> Dear List,
> >>
> >> Michael has said that BLM does not manage any
> federal or state right of way
> >> systems. That information may be partially, or
> completely, incorrect. The
> >> BLM has co-operating land management agreements
> with federal, state and
> >> county right of way owners in most western states,
> Nevada, as an example and
> >> DOES manage the land under those right of ways and
> it's uses.
> >>
> >> My source is the BLM:
> >>
> >> Las Vegas Field Office
> >> 4701 North Torrey Pines Drive
> >> Las Vegas, NV 89130
> >> Phone: 702-515-5000
> >> Fax: 702-515-5023
> >> Office hours: 7:30 am-4:30 pm, M-F
> >> Field Manager: Bob Ross
> >> Email: lvfoweb at blm.gov
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Count Deiro
> >>
> >> IMCA 3536
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Michael Mulgrew
> >>>Sent: Oct 3, 2012 9:55 AM
> >>>To: Meteorite List
> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roadside Hunting
> and Ownership
> >>>
> >>>Brian and List,
> >>>
> >>>I am a practicing Civil Engineer and have a lot
> of experience with
> >>>road right-of-ways. Generally the right-of-way
> for Federal highways
> >>>are owned by the State through which they pass.
> States acquire the
> >>>right-of-way and build the highways and then can
> apply for the
> >>>acceptance into the Federal system, but
> sometimes for cost and other
> >>>reasons only part of a highway may be introduced
> into the Federal
> >>>system (such as the recent extension of
> I-210/SR-210 in southern
> >>>California). The rural road example you give
> would be one where an
> >>>easement for access across private land has been
> granted for purposes
> >>>of road construction, operation, and
> maintenance. In the case you
> >>>cite the easement probably only extends from
> edge of pavement to edge
> >>>of pavement, thus the ditch is considered
> private. Ownership of road
> >>>rights-of-way should be discoverable at your
> local County offices.
> >>>
> >>>The BLM does not manage right-of-ways with the
> Federal or any of the
> >>>State systems, so this new BLM policy would not
> apply to finds made
> >>>there. Finds made there would technically belong
> to the people of the
> >>>State in which it was found, and that State's
> individual rules should
> >>>apply.
> >>>
> >>>Best,
> >>>Michael in so. Cal.
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Brian Burrer
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings List,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been following with interest the
> recent chatter concerning BLM
> >>>> regulations; questions arise in my mind
> concerning roadside
> >>>> recoveries.
> >>>> I would guess that ownership of the find
> could vary widely depending
> >>>> on what roadside it was found on.
> >>>> Rural county roads in Texas are typically
> privately owned; the land
> >>>> under the road is owned by individuals who
> pay taxes on it just like
> >>>> the rest of their land. The road is public
> but the bar-ditch is
> >>>> private; ownership clearly falls to the
> landowner.
> >>>> But what about state and federal highway
> margins; this is not
> >>>> typically (maybe ever) BLM land so what
> rules apply?
> >>>>
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