[meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 17:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1349136722.11126.YahooMailRC_at_web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Jim & all,

Commercial users always had to have permits.? Permits always took their
time.?This is not new ?Rockhounders were always prohibited from commercial
endeavors.? This is not new. ?Meteorite hunters were lumped in with rockhounders
until now. The only real change that I can see is the change in poundage
limits---a major change for sure, but how many of us have had years where the 10
pound limit would've been a problem?? It can happen, but quite rarely.? I have
recovered hundreds of meteorite (fragments) in Nevada, but nowhere near 10
pounds per year.? Probably the main point of all this is that we are now under
scrutiny and attracting explicit personalized regulation where before we were
pretty much under the radar.? However, the "new" explicit meteorite regulations
are mostly not new, but rather, a formal restatement of long-standing policies
governing rockhounding on BLM-managed lands.

Norm



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

Hello Norm,

I beleive that was 25 pounds a day, now 10 pounds a year.

Science and Commerical users now require permits.? Casual hunters not
allowed to sell.? Hmmm.? Permit processes can take 185 days.
I'd say that's significant.

Jim


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will
>look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next
>highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant
>from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball.
>What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take
>this citation!
>
> Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman at nvbell.net>
>>Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM
>>To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
>>
>>All,
>>
>>I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS
>>something I don't understand.? Meteorite collecting has previously fallen
under
>>the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a
>>specific policy that is no great change from the past rules.? I am quite sure
I
>>will be hugey chastised for my ignorance.? Please correct me if I missed
>>something.
>>
>>The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or? one rock.? Now it's 10 pounds and no
>>provision for the big one with respect to meteorites.? How often will that
>>actually afect us?? Almost never.? The use of motorized vehicles off marked
>>roads is also a general policy, not just for us.? Metal detectors are
>explicitly
>>allowed.? Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.
>>
>>Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline.
>>Find a monster?? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should
get
>>some benefit.? This is no change.? If you want to harvest building stones or
>>ornamental boulders, you pay a fee.? We will too.? No real change.
>>
>>I see no great disaster here.? Just a formalization of a specific policy,
>thanks
>>(?)? to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms.? Of course they had
>to
>>get explicit.? It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the
>>rules we were all subject to before now.? Or did no one understand this?? Yes,
>>they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be
>amazed
>>if this involves changes in the law.? Just enforcement of those already
extant.
>>At worst with fairly minor changes.
>>
>>Have at it.? I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly.? What am I missing?
>>
>>Best,
>>Norm (www.tektitesource.com)
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