[meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!

From: Matthias Bärmann <majbaermann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:06:19 +0200
Message-ID: <618696EA726641BDB69B20E0BA47AF27_at_thinkcentre>

"to blow the grass flat in different directions" - and the rattlers too,
hopefully ;-)

Thanks for the explanation, Guido. I didn't expect piloting an airship to be
so demanding (because of the slower speed etc.).

Btw. wasn't it a pretty crazy as well as heroic project of your compatriots
to try things like that
http://einestages.spiegel.de/hund-images/2009/06/17/99/b42d995a1af34ca32aee56b278d674a9_image_document_large_featured_borderless.jpg ?

In-cre-dib-le!

Best as ever!
Matthias


----- Original Message -----
From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: "Matthias B?rmann" <majbaermann at web.de>; <GeoZay at aol.com>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!


Yes, Matthias,

Fly by wire is the only way it could be operated by a single pilot. The
reason being the number of articulated engines and thruster all having near
infinite range of action. This, coupled with the need to coordinate the
rudder and elevator surfaces to control attitude and direction, makes flying
an airship a "don't talk to me now I'm busy" kind of moment.

Steering one of these beasts, without computerization and FADEC (automatic
engine control) is akin to throwing the wheel hard over on a Mississippi
steam boat to avoid a snag, while ringing the engine telegraph to change the
rpm of the side paddle wheels to the black gang below. Slow and probably
ineffective.

Airships, unless underway with considerable air speed, are as sluggish in
responding to orders as a drunken sailor in a vat of molasses.

Now, if anyone wants to rent me and a turbocharged R4 Robertson helicopter,
you spot the meteorite and I'll put you where you can lean out and click it
on the cane. $450.00 an hour and sign a waiver holding my estate harmless if
I kill us. I think we could manage to blow the grass flat in different
directions.

Best to all,

Guido






-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de>
>Sent: May 4, 2012 1:56 PM
>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>, GeoZay at aol.com,
>meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
>
>
>I expected that kind of precise overview, Guido - thanks to the experienced
>pilot.
>
>What was new and surprising to me is the fact that the Zeppelin NT model
>(used for the Sutter's Mill hunt as well as for flying tourists over the
>Lake of Constance, quite close to me) has a fly-by-wire piloting.
>
>And I agree completely with you: I can't imagine a successful meteorite
>hunt
>via airship!
>
>Best as ever,
>Matthias
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Count Deiro" <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>To: "Matthias B?rmann" <majbaermann at web.de>; <GeoZay at aol.com>;
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
>
>
>Hallo Matthias,
>
>A dirigible has an internal, light weight, rigid, geometric, metal frame
>and
>may have several separate, sealed, spaces for helium as a lifting medium. A
>blimp ( Named after Englander Oberst Blimp) has usually one unsupported gas
>container. Literally a gas bag.
>
>Count (Graf) von Zeppelin designed the first of the practical, passenger
>carrying, airships in the late 1920's. Others had been built and used
>during
>World War One by the fatherland in night bombing raids to London.
>
>The Macon, Los Angeles, and the Georgia and several others were operated by
>the US Navy in the 1930's. They all met their demise due to extreme weather
>(winds aloft) and pilot error. We all know what happened to the Hindenburg
>at Lakehurst. (Static electricity and hydrogen do not go well together.)
>
>Blimps were used successfully by the US Navy for detecting untersebooten
>with some success. Even being deployed from ship while underway for convoy
>protection. Another popular use was to deploy and tether blimps fitted with
>dangling cables above to discourage Luftwaffe strafing attacks.
>
>I have been checked out in the Goodyear sponsored blimp here in Las Vegas
>and have made several successful flights. I do not care to fly airships as
>they are hard to control in surface winds over 10K and near impossible
>aloft
>in turbulence.
>
>I do not believe that the very beautiful craft being planned to look for
>meteorites is going to provide any success, as the terrain and the
>resulting
>up and down drafts are going to force the pilot to maintain at least 1000'
>of clearance while refraining from even attempting stationary positioning.
>The ship will go whatever way the air mass is moving, no matter what he
>does
>with the articulated propulsion units and tail thruster.
>
>Thank you for the opportunity to expound on my favorite lifelong
>addiction...flight.
>
>Count Deiro
>
>Airline Transport Pilots License #1495690
>Ratings: Aircraft single and multi- engine land and sea.
>Rotorcraft-Helicopter. Airship - single and multi-engine.
>Flight Instructor: Airplanes and Instruments. Ground Instructor: Advanced
>and Instruments. FAA Gold Seal Flight Instructor.
>FAI Competition Soaring License #9865.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de>
>>Sent: May 4, 2012 12:21 PM
>>To: GeoZay at aol.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
>>
>>
>>Blimp? No way! The Zeppelin is an aristocratic airship - see "G r a f
>>Zeppelin" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_von_Zeppelin
>>
>>Confirmation please, dear Count Deiro :-)
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Matthias
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <GeoZay at aol.com>
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:59 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's a zepplin, not a blimp!
>>
>>
>>>A blimp and zeppelin are the same to me...I prefer blimp simply because
>>> its easier to say and there's just one syllable to mess with. :O)
>>> GeoZay
>>>
>>>>>Big difference! Stop calling it a blimp please!<<
>>>
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