[meteorite-list] Final report on analysis of fake martian meteorites sold on ebay

From: Michael Gilmer <*meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 19:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <CAKBPJW-i2gpjJAr16oSvqJGuizN_zALPSum01FNrmXMewTWjfw_at_mail.gmail.com> · meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com

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On 6/6/12, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Daniel and Dr Korotev
>
> Great job with this. I have been contact some eBay members today and letting
> them know by emailing them from eBay but I can only email about 10 people a
> day on eBay. I was able to go through Steelhorse1994 list and I see that
> they have sold a lot of the fake meteorites in May, so they are still at it.
> I went down his feed back list and was able to email up to
>
> Fast shipping!! Thank you AAA  Buyer:
> Member id 805rockminer ( Feedback Score Of 93)   May-13-12 16:50
> NWA 4881 - LUNAR METEORITE - MOON ROCK - Achondrite - Great For The
> Collector! (#200745673078)  US $17.00
>
> So if someone wants to take over and start emailing members below that
> on their feed back page that would be great. Tomorrow I email where I left
> off unless people do this and let the list know where they left off. I think
> by doing this and the buyers all contacting eBay and Pay Pal will see what
> is happening.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBay Store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
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> As was previously reported in this forum last month, ebay
> seller
> steelhorse1994 was dumping fake moon and mars rock displays on
> unsuspecting buyers through ebay listings for over a year. My
> involvement started a few months ago when I recognized the displays were
> suspect and made it my mission to uncover the fraud. I obtained one of
> these displays and solicited the assistance of Dr. Randy Korotev at
> Washington University to analyze it with neutron activation. His initial
> report to me last month indicated that it was NOT a rock from space and
> was indeed terrestrial. I immediately contacted eBay. Two days later,
> the fraud was no longer selling his fakes on eBay. There is still the
> occasional ebay seller "reselling" some of these fakes, an unfortunate
> repercussion of over 1000 bogus items dumped on eBay.
>
> Be on the
> lookout. The clear tell for ALL of his fakes is to observe the
> reverse
> display side image. It will say in big letters: "American
> Meteorite
> Collectors Society", which of course is nonexistent,
> "Authenicity
> Guaranteed". NOT.
>
> I followed up with eBay and inquired if they were
> planning to contact
> all the buyers who bought the fraudulent material. Their
> response was:
> "Oh no, they would have to contact us, and within 45 days of
> the
> purchase". Are you kidding me? How self-serving is that!
>
> I have
> just received the final data analysis from Dr. Korotev regarding
> the display
> that I sent him and have reproduced his conclusions below.
> If anyone is
> interested in seeing the hard data (1 page, primarily
> regarding the REE),
> drop me a note, and I will forward it to you.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Daniel Noyes
>
> .......................................
>
> Dear Mr. Noyes:
>
> Here are the final INAA data on your fake
> martian meteorite.
>
> There appear to be no published data for NWA 4925,
> but according to my
> colleague Tony Irving, NWA 4925 is a "depleted, permafic
> olivine
> shergottite," of which there are several, including SaU 005 and the
> new
> martian fall Tissint. Your rock is nothing like any of them. It's got
> the geochemical signatures of a terrestrial rock - high alkalis, low Cr,
> granite-like REE pattern.
>
>
>
> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+
> Randy L. Korotev phone: (314) 935-5637
> Research Professor fax: (314)
> 935-7361
> Washington University in Saint Louis korotev at
> wustl.edu
> Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences http://epsc.wustl.edu/
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:25:56 -0700
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] We are Stardust!
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> Outstanding.
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> Paul Swartz
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>>Cosmologist Neal de Grasse Tyson and
> others on the origins of man...musically.
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>>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=61e_1338836306
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 13:17:07 -0400
> From: Michael
> Gilmer <meteoritemike at
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] International Meteorite
> Market
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at
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> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at
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> I agree with Adam 100%, and my comment to the article says as much.
>
> I really wish writers would stick to subjects they actually know
> something about. This article is nothing more than slander.
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