[meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:51:44 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1342335104.12095.YahooMailNeo_at_web46406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

thats the whole reason I spoke up on this issue. There are IMCA board members feeding Jason utas information to create his IMCA blacklist website, yet he is breaking the IMCA code of ethics and also international laws. The IMCA will do nothing about it as Jason id protected by the IMCA board. Its a sad situation indeed. When its a part of the clique they look the other way. I was good enough to run for the board and yet two months later was no longer an IMCA member because I rocked the boat. I am sorry, I WILL NOT keep quiet when I see issues. How about the fact Adam Hupe OWNS the IMCA now? Where is that public info unless you do extensive research and pay the money to get records? How about how the IMCA was NOT non profit for several years? yet certain members what to team up and build a blacklist website and then sell illegally exported meteorites?
The IMCA is complete BS and so futile at this point it is not much more then a marketing gimmick. I will speak out on this because I am not afraid of them or what they will try to do to my business. they already have done what they can to make me look bad, so I am returning the favor. THE IMCA IS A WASTE OF A GREAT IDEA. It is a group with good intentions, but run by many that have no other interest then money and no love for meteorites. Anne Black does not care about meteorites. She is all about the money she can? make off them. So are several others in charge of the group. Its not the IMCA, its the IMDA (D for dealers) at this point. Owned and controlled by dealers who do not collect and dont have the passion a collector does. Let the crickets chirp as they keep quiet and try to hide this. I beg the board, challenge what I am saying, please do... I will prove you wrong at every turn. I made mistakes in trusting people, but made it right and that led
 to a lot of personal issues in my life. My wanting to share meteorites with others. I had dreams that were not able to be made reality. I admit that, but it was only my passion for these space rocks that did it. Not some scheme or scam. Just dreams.
Jason cant say that, Anne cant say that. most the IMCA board who remains quiet cant say that. I dare them to speak up... they wont because it will affect the money they make and the fancy cars they drive. I have nothing to lose, so I speak my mind.
So be it...


Greg Catterton
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From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
To: rickmont at earthlink.net
Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit


Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives.

I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way....


> From: rickmont at earthlink.net
> To: mike at meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700
> CC: jasonutas at gmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
>
> A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective.
>
> -RM
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "jason utas" <jasonutas at gmail.com>; "Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
>
>
> > Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to
> > ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do.
> >
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED
> >> EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can "shove off" I had several still not return
> >> material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike
> >> Cottingham, and John Helm.
> >>
> >> 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It
> >> failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can "shove off"
> >> 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked
> >> to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, "shove off...
> >>
> >> 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY
> >> EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you
> >> know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it!
> >>
> >> your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are
> >> an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are
> >> selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you
> >> breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or
> >> will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys
> >> break the rules?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Catterton
> >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> >> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
> >> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> >>
> >> Hello Greg,
> >> The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake
> >> material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but
> >> keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately
> >> described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this
> >> community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the
> >> past fifteen years.
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM,
> >> <wanderingstar at wanderingstarmeteorites.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export
> >>> permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members
> >>> for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this
> >>> (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling
> >>> illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action
> >>> against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale?
> >>>
> >>> Greg C,
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> >>> From: Me Teor <m3t30r1t3man at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am
> >>> To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> >>> Cc: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Shawn
> >>> You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in
> >>> India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is
> >>> the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade
> >>> or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be
> >>> any export papers as export is banned.
> >>>
> >>> Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ?
> >>>
> >>> If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and
> >>> has been exported.
> >>>
> >>> By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ?
> >>>
> >>> M.E.
> >>>
> >>> On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Listers,
> >>>>
> >>>>> From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in
> >>>>> India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which
> >>>>> would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol
> >>>>> exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have
> >>>>> gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with
> >>>>> export papers like how Canadian falls are handled?
> >>>>
> >>>> Shawn Alan
> >>>> IMCA 1633
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