[meteorite-list] Dentists and a Yaqui/Mayan meteorite mystery (was ...Tucson)

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:46:42 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8CEA638B6E04368-924-166CE_at_webmail-d178.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Ed, On dentistes, Yaqui and a meteorite

Dentists in Nogales:
The dentists I mentioned all speak English and some even have US
diplomas on the walls, although in the Mexican schools they probably
get just as much if not more hands-on practice. So don't be shy,
though I thank you so kindly for the vote of confidence. My Mother
needed a root canal job about 5 years ago and even though we could
have gotten it done anywhere in the world, I chose to get it done in
Mexico and the proof is in the absolutely perfect job this incredible
dentist did and with a service that I have never seen elsewhere and her
hands were as gentle as they come..

Back to the Yaqui and meteorites: An unsolved Sonoran Yaqui Valley
Mystery

Here's a lead that would be a blast to read; from the book:
The Book of the Damned
by Charles Fort

In the Scientific American, Sept. 10, 1910, Charles F. Holder writes:
"Many years ago, a strange stone resembling a meteorite, fell into the
Valley of the Yaqui, Mexico, and the sensational story went from one
end to the other of the country that a stone bearing human inscriptions
had descended to the earth." The bewildering observation here is Mr.
Holder's assertion that this stone did fall. It seems to me that he
must mean that it fell by dislodgment from a mountainside into a valley
? but we shall see that it was such a marked stone that very unlikely
would it have been unknown to dwellers in a valley, if it had been
reposing upon a mountain side above them. It may have been
carelessness: intent may have been to say that a sensational storyof a
strange stone said to have fallen, etc.

This stone was reported by Major Frederick Burnham, of the British
Army. Later Major Burnham re-visited it, and Mr. Holder accompanied
him, their purpos to decipher the inscriptions on it, if possible.

"This stone was a brown, igneous rock, its longest axis about eight
feet, and on the eastern face, which had an angle of about forty-five
degrees, was the deep-cut inscription." Mr. Holder says that he
recognized familiar Mayan symbols in the inscription. His method was
the usual method by which anything can be "identified" as anything
else: that is to pick out whatever is agreeable and disregard the rest.

He says that he has demonstrated that most of the symbols are Mayan.
One of our interme- diatist pseudo-principles is that any way of
demonstrating anything is just as good a way of demonstrating anything
else. By Mr. Holder's method we could demonstrate that we're Mayan ? if
that should be a source of pride to us. One of the characters upon this
stone is a circle within a circle ? similar character found by Mr.
Holder in a Mayan manuscript.

There are two 6's. 6's can be found in Mayan manuscripts. A double
scroll. There are dots and there are dashes. Well, then, we, in turn,
disregard the circle within a circle and the double scroll and
emphasize that 6's occur in this book, and that dots are plentiful, and
would be more if it were customary to use the small "i" for the first
personal pronoun ? that when it comes to dashes ? that's demonstrated:
we're Mayan.

I suppose the tendency is to damned feel that we're sneering at some
valuable archaologic work, and that Mr. Holder did make a veritable
identification. He writes: "I submitted the photographs to the Field
Museum and the Smithsonian and one or two others, and, to my surprise,
the reply was that they could make nothing out of it." Our indefinite
acceptance, by preponderance of three or four groups of museum-experts
against one person is that a stone bearing inscriptions unassimilable
with any known language upon this earth, is said to have fallen from
the sky.

Kindest wishes
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
Cc: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson


Hi Doug -

I wouldn't try it without your wonderful personal help.
I don't know how to say "more lidocaine" in Spanish.

My guess as to where the Yaqui meteorites are is in their pockets or in
their
houses.

You could just ask them, and unless you're too greedy or obsessed,
they'd likely
tell you. The key is respect, and remembering that they have their own
way of
looking at things, and valuing them.

E.P.




--- On Fri, 1/20/12, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson
> To: epgrondine at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 1:28 AM
> Hi Ed, I'm sorry you can't make it to
> Tucson, but if you don't have dental insurance, you'll
> probably get a better work for half the price right across
> the border from Tucson/Nogales and can make your trip
> worthwhile.
>
> Plus you might find some interesting stuff in Yaqui culture
> if you look hard enough in that territory.? Really from
> a meteorite hunting perspective it's hard to top the
> Yaquis.? They traditionally believe that everything
> that "inhabits" the desert intercommunicates with a
> proto-language.? This includes (especially)
> rocks.? I have always wondered what lore of meteorites
> they might have and what they would make of it and you would
> be the guy to work that out.? Maybe a full-blooded
> Yaqui fluent in the old language could ask the rocks where
> they keep their meteorites ;-) as a bonus!? Anyway, a
> super interesting never-conquered culture which if not for
> commercialization of "La Bamba" would probably get even more
> respect and a better understanding...
>
> Anyway, the Deer Dance is all about the arid desert hunt
> where successfully finding and bagging one is a matter of
> survival.? Here's an excellent no bullshit/no props
> representation of it to whet your appetite:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2npNtRk_Kc&feature=related
>
> But back to this, you will find excellent english speaking
> dentists in Nogales at:
>
http://www.mexicandoctorsdir.com/Nogales_Dental_Association_Members.htm
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 11:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson
>
>
> Hi everyone -
>
> I will not be able to go to Tucson this year, as the need
> for a root canal (and
> its expense) has intervened. I hope those of you expecting
> to get signed copies
> of "Man and Impact in the Americss"? there will not be
> too disappointed.
>
> I also want to apologize to those who were expecting more
> from me on the First
> Peoples and meteorites, as I now realize due to the actions
> of a few individuals
> out there I can not participate in making that information
> public.
>
> have a great time,
> Ed
>
>
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