[meteorite-list] OT^2 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood Texas

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 02:11:52 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8CEB5113B8128C5-17F8-6585_at_webmail-d153.sysops.aol.com>

Sterling wrote:

"Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to be at work on iguanas which really
creeped me out the few times (smaller than counterparts endemic to
other regions)"

Hi Sterling

I don't think the iguanas in Florida are native. I recall Bill Haas
had some escape from the old Miami Serpentarium in the early days and I
think the population was established by that, and then late on by
repeat exotic introductions. The anolises which I believe are native,
little tiny green lizards that change color to brown, are really fun to
catch.

Now as far a being creeped out by iguanas, man you definitely didn't
grow up down there! If you did, you would know that there is no animal
  more prized by obsessed kids trying to pit themselves against the
elements and catch them (with our bare hands). The iguanas bite like a
vice, but that's part of the charm, to keep all your fingers. They are
so scared and fast whenever people come near that they bolt before you
can even nod your head... but if you sneak up on the opposite side of a
tree or fence where they might be and lunge completely based on faith
and grab them on the neck like a tackleyou can be rewarded with the
ultime kids' bragging rights. Then they open their mouth and show
their teeth and the skilled kid has a weeks worth of show and tell,
just like holding a meteorite - is the best I can describe the feeling.

Really for Florida boys, iguanas are like jumping frogs that Huck Finn
put in his pocket in Missouri! They make great pet, I managed to catch
a few. I don't think they could take off a finger, but I can't
guarantee it, so as always - my attorneys want me to disclose that
anyone who partakes in risky activities may suffer the consequences as
well as reap the rewards ;-)

Kindest wishes
Dogu



-----Original Message-----
From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: GeoZay <GeoZay at aol.com>; meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 1:52 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood
Texas


Guys, guys...

Fascinated as I am by this frontiership discussion
forum (and I am), we seem to gone past the "nobody's-
listening-to-anybody" point in the discussion.

I make the perfect expert for this dispute because I
am not a frontiersman and know nothing about lions,
cougars, pards, and whatnot. Knowing nothing, I
was forced to GoogleStorm the question of "mountain
lion" shoe-size.

I quote a University (don't know which one; I forgot
to copy the URL):
"Mountain lion tracks are generally round with a
diameter from 2.75 to 3.75 inches."

New Mexico State U, circular 561:
"As with other cats, the front foot is the larger, and
the toes tend to spread widely when the animal is
running. The width of tracks varies from 3 to more
than 4 inches..." However, it adds, cats often step in
their own prints, with the saller back foot obliterating
the front print...

Also, one of you is right about smaller wildlife forms
in Florida because Florida is effectively a near-island,
and there is evolutionary dwarfism, however weak, at
work there.

Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to be at work on
iguanas, which really creeped me out the few times
I've been in Florida, probably because I live in an
iguanaless state (and don't you wish they all were?).

So, the catprints are affected by motion, foot placement,
whether the cat was sitting, strolling, dancing, or just
doing aerobics...

Cat tracks present measurement problem:
"Mountain lion and grizzly bear researchers
jointly recognized the problem of variable
track size and tried to develop means of over
coming it. During their lion research, Fjelline
and Mansfield (1989) developed a method for
measuring tracks, we call the minimum outline
method." Turns out the FOOT is smaller than the
PRINT. Read the rest at:
http://www.tracknature.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=F3&Store_Code=IS0034

Sites that show tracks with a ruler laid by are almost
exactly 3.0 inches in length and slighly less in width
(it was walking or doing aerobics, I guess).

Here's TEXAS mountain lions:
http://www.wildtrack.org/showcase/developing-species-algorithms/mountain-lion-in-texas.html
with tracks just under 3" in length. I thought they grew
everything BIG in Texas... Hmmm, maybe somebody's
eyes are bigger than their cat.

Another site says: "Bobcat tracks are dainty. Mountain
lions are heavy and their tracks are as large as a human
fist." As if human fists didn't vary widely in size by altitude
and gender...

A website whose function is to warn you of animal attacks
says cougar tracks are over four inches, just in case your
ruler isn't elastic enough to stretch that far when affrighted...

Can a cougar, lion, catamount or panther have footprints
2.5 to 3.0 inches (estimated) or 2.75" or 3.5" or 4" if they're
running, or not, and smaller if they have lived in the Sunshine
State long enough?

The judges will accept that as a "yes."


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoZay at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Report from Strewnfield in Edgewood
Texas
>
>>>George, Whether you believe the  encounter was a big cat or a pussy
> cat, is your prerogative, but  please don't make me out to be seeing
> something SCARY and  overestimating it's size. It truly was larger
> than
> my dog, (Labrador  retriever).<<
>
> Well Eric...if you are sticking to the cat you seen  had a foot print
> of
> 2.5 to 3 inches diameter, I can't help but think you  had
> overestimated its
> size. Nothing to be ashamed of...it happens to the best of  us. I
> don't know
> how big a black panther foot print should be...if it was one.  But I'd
> suspect that it would probably be similar to a mountain lion of
> comparable size.
> I am quite familiar with mountain lion foot prints and a 2.5 to  3
> inch
> diameter foot print seems ridiculously small for these kind of large
> cats.
> George
>
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