[meteorite-list] High Noon!

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <8CE3AD65F9F846F-1A8C-8F4CF_at_webmail-d178.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Steve,

One thing I am unsure of after hearing all this. Are you representing
that your material (the stuff described by you as Lunar) is
*unequivocably Lunar*, or just that it is *either Lunar or Terrestrial
but similar to Lunar*? Isn't that the important question to answer?

Great to hear your side of this first hand finally! As one who cannot
go to Colorado to witness this epic duel, could you kindly comment on
what control samples (Earth rocks) will be used during the proposed
show-down with the XRF, and exactly what is the hypothesis being tested
(i.e., that they are Lunar? or that by picking and choosing your
analysis parameters you can make the point that they share some common
characteristics ?

For example, aluminum and glass both have a density of 2.7 cubic
centimeters.

If I set up a test saying I will prove aluminum and glass are the same
thing by checking their density, I am picking the parameters and if
someone says, lets check if it is an electrical conductor or insultor
and I say, no!, it's over...

then, what is the point and who would participate in such a duel, if
all you are willing to define as aluminum is anthing with a density of
2.7 g/cm^3?

Why not just submit your specimen to a Meteoritical Society approved
scientist (like Hupe did for NWA 5000) and get it scientifically
authenticated by just one independent scientist for publication in the
Meteoritical Bulletin - this is what every other meteorite finder does.
  Then you'd be done with it! The MetSoc is independent of the IMCA so
there is no conflict there.

If for some reason there is a problem with that, can you explain why
you don't do that? That is the issue I cannot understand, and which
tends to have others question the material's provnance.

What will the duel prove scientifically if you determine which
parameters and only which parameters are tested, and how they are
tested and do not leave the testing open to peer review which is a
necessary part of the scientific authentication process?

Informally, if you can post a picture of a specimen with obvious fusion
crust you could probably gain favor on this list. Do you have such a
picture you are willing to post?

Kindest wishes and good luck
Doug




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Curry <cwheileg at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:24 pm
Subject: High Noon!


Hi Boys & Girls; ?You've all had a wonderful time, over past couple of
years, in trying to denounce my research, attacking my integrity,
defaming my character, and, most importantly, making absolute fools of
yourselves! ?I've allowed this, and I've exhibited a great deal of
tolerance for your highly unprofessional, and grossly unethical
behavior, but, I will not tolerate your abuse of my family, friends,
and business colleagues. ?YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE FOR THE LAST TIME!!?
?? ?As an organization, that explicitly demands behavior above & beyond
reproach, it is quite apparent, that the IMCA does not enforce its own
policies. ?Each & every member of this organization needs to hang their
heads low, in shame, for allowing the Administration of the IMCA to
engage, support, and condone this type of behavior by its membership.
?? ?This is not to say, that all members of the IMCA, exhibit this
abhorrent behavior. ?I trust, that there are many members of high
integrity, honesty, sincerity, and commitment to the many sciences
surrounding meteoritics. ?To those members, I ask that you take a stand
against those members, who have treated this organization with such
selfish disdain, and disregard of its charter.


?? ?IMCA member, Adam Hupe, recently raised a flag of protest, over my
use of the term, "NWA 5000," in comparing our "Uncompahgre Lunar
Feldspathic Breccia" meteorite to his prized possession, purchased from
a Moroccan dealer. ?Mr. Hupe seems to think the "NWA 5000" is, somehow,
a title deserving of a Trademark! ?For starters, "Northwest Africa" is
by geographical location & description, in "Public Domain!" ?"5000" is
merely an integer, or number, and cannot be trademarked. ?It, too, is
considered "Public Domain!" ?The US Trademark Office would, simply,
laugh at Mr. Hupe's submission. ?It would not get any more embarrassing
for Mr. Hupe, than this!


?? If Mr. Hupe, and other IMCA members, would like to end this, once
and for all, here is my challenge, and I will not accept any
substitutions, alterations, or changes, to this challenge. ?You can,
also, trust, that this challenge this will be fair, and without bias,
or prejudice. ?Unlike you folks, I play by the rules, and I play fair,
and honestly! ?You can trust, too, that the stakes are extremely high!


?? ?Just for sport, I'm going to name this game, "HIGH NOON IN WESTERN
COLORADO!"..........Even though, this dual will be held in the evening.
?? ?I am giving a meteorite lecture & seminar at the Delta County
Library, on September 20, 2011, _at_ 6:00pm. ?If Mr. Hupe can trust his
fellow IMCA member, Blaine Reed, Mr. Hupe is to send a specimen sample
of the "NWA 5000" to Mr. Reed. ?Mr. Blain Reed must show up at this
lecture, armed with his new toy, as in his XRF hand-held analyzer. ?I,
too, will show up with our XRF hand-held analyzer, which will be
operated by an experienced geologist from Western Colorado.
?? Mr. Reed, and our geologist, will conduct XRF analysis on both the
"NWA 5000," and our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia." ?Both
stones will be analyzed using the "Precious Metal Mode," and the
"Prospector Mode," which will produce elemental percentages, and
elemental PPM's (Parts-per-Million). ?The results from Mr. Reed, and
our geologist, will be recorded by a officer from the Delta County
Sheriff's office, which is next door to the library. ?
?? The analysis will, then, be compared by a jury of 12 men & women, in
our audience, to those figures obtained from NASA's Apollo Lunar Sample
Atlas, and the Lunar & Planetary Institute's "Lunar Meteorite
Compendium." ?Comparisons will be acceptable, should the results of the
analysis 's within +(-) 5% of NASA's, and LPI's elemental chemistry,
posted on these official sites. ?The Delta County Sheriff will review &
tally the decisions of the 12 jurors, and confirm their findings.
?? Once the findings are tallied and authenticated, the Sheriff will
pronounce the decision of these jurors. ?Should it be found, that our
"Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" is, in fact, a similar match to
Mr. Hupe's "NWA 5000," and similar to the data published on the NASA,
and LPI website, I will demand that the following individuals put their
reputations & careers where their mouths have been!


1). ?Mr. Hupe, will, within 72 hours of being advised of the Sheriff's
announcement, submit a "Public Letter of Apology," to Mr. Curry, his
family, and colleagues. ?Mr. Hupe will, then, submit a "Letter of
Resignation" to the IMCA, effective IMMEDIATELY! ?Mr. Hupe will, also,
issue an "Affidavit," stating that he will never, ever, sell, buy,
trade, or barter meteorites in the United States, or elsewhere, for as
long as he may live!
2). ?Anne Black, the current President of the IMCA, will tender her
resignation with the IMCA; prepare, sign, and publicly post a similar
affidavit, stating that she will never, ever, sell, buy, barter, or
trade meteorites in the United States, or elsewhere, for as long as she
may live!
3). ?Maria Haas, the current Treasurer of the IMCA, will tender her
resignation with the IMCA, prepare, sign, and publicly post a similar
affidavit, stating, that she will never, ever, sell, buy, barter, or
trade meteorites in the United States, or elsewhere, for as long as she
may live!
4). ?Mr. Blaine Reed, an IMCA member, will, without hesitation, tender
his resignation with the IMCA, prepare, sign, and publicly post a
similar affidavit, stating, that he will never, ever, sell, buy,
barter, or trade meteorites, in the United States, or elsewhere, for as
long as he may live!
5). ?The following members, or affiliates of the IMCA, will tender
their resignations with the IMCA, effective immediately! ?These
members, and/or affiliates, will also prepare, sign, and publicly post
"Letters of Apologies" to Mr. Curry, his family, and colleagues. ?They
will, also, tender similar affidavits, stating, that they will never,
ever, sell, buy, barter, or trade meteorites in the United States, or
elsewhere, for as long as they may live!
A). ?Michael Blood, San Diego; Walter Newton, Conifer, CO; Sonny Clary,
Las Vegas, NV; Geoff Notkin, Tucson, AZ, Steve Arnold, Fayetteville,
AR; Matt Morgan, Denver, CO; Steve Arnold, Chicago, IL; Count Deiro,
Los Angeles, CA; Sterling Webb, UKN; Walter Perry, UKN; and Ken Newton,
(a.k.a "Magellon"), UKN.
6). ?Surviving members of the IMCA will demand a purge of all members
associated with any attacks upon Mr. Curry's integrity, character, and
research! ?These members will demand a full-scale restructuring of the
IMCA to the high standards set in the original charter of this
organization.
7). ?The following scientists, having collaborated with, consorted
with, and confederated with IMCA members to unfairly control the market
place, and the actual supply of genuine & authenticatable meteorites;
particularly Lunar meteorites, will tender their resignations to their
home universities; effective immediately. ?These scientists will,
without hesitation, tender "Letters of Apology," to Mr. Curry, his
family, and colleagues. ?These scientists will, also, prepare, sign,
and publicly post similar affidavits, stating, that they will never,
ever, analyze another meteorite in the United States, or elsewhere, for
as long as they may live!


?? Dr. Randy Korotev, WUSTL; Dr. Carl Agee, UNM; Dr. Lawrence Garvie,
ASU, Dr. Alex Ruzika, Cascadia Meteorite Lab, Portland State
University, Dr. John T. Wasson, UCLA, Dr. Alan Rubin, UCLA, Dr. Michael
Zolensky, NASA's JSC, Dr. Timothy McCoy, Smithsonian Institute; Dr.
Arthur Elmann, TCU; Dr. Rainer Newberry, UA at Fairbanks; Dr. Chris
Peterson, Caltech/Denver Museum of Nature & Science; Dr. Theodore
Bunch, NAU; Dr. John Wittke, NAU; and Melinda Hutson, Cascadia
Meteorite Lab, Portland State University.


?? ?Should it be found, that our "Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic
Breccia" does not match, in any way, shape, or form, to Mr. Hupe's "NWA
5000," or to that of the Apollo Lunar Samples of Feldspathic Breccias,
or meteorites posted with the Lunar & Planetary Institute's "Lunar
Meteorite Compendium," Mr. Curry will, without hesitation, close his
Ebay posting of the "Uncompahgre Lunar Meteorite," permanently, and
forever. ?Mr. Curry will also initiate a "Public Letter of Apology" to
Mr. Hupe, members of the IMCA, and to above named scientists.


IMPORTANT NOTE: ?The decision to engage, or not to engage, in this
"invitation to participate" in this "High Noon in Western Colorado,"
will not be a joint decision of the IMCA members, nor made by the above
scientists. ?The decision will be made by one individual, and one
individual, only! ?That, one, individual will be Mr. Adam Hupe! ?Mr.
Hupe will be held responsible, and accountable for, all consequences of
his actions, or inactions! ?This includes any & all complaints, and all
attempts of litigation, stemming from Mr. Hupe's decision! ?
?? ?Should Mr. Hupe decide not to engage in this "Scientific XRF Duel,"
Mr. Curry will consider his work, research, character, and integrity
vindicated and exonerated. ?By "default," Mr. Hupe, the involved
members of the IMCA, and the listed scientists, will be bound by this
"default," to issue "Letters of Apology" to Mr. Curry, and tender
affidavits, stating they will "cease & desist" their operations of all
sales, trades, barters, and purchases of meteorites, for as long as
they may live! ?They will, also, be bound by this "default," to tender
their resignations to the IMCA, effective immediately! ?
?? The listed scientists will, also, be bound by this "default," and
will sign & issue an affidavit, stating that they will never, again,
analyze another meteorite, for as long as they may live! ?These
scientists will, also, tender their resignations with their parent
universities.


?? In all fairness to Mr. Hupe, and knowing that he is not a scientist,
I will offer the following "evidence," clearly indicating that our
"Uncompahgre Lunar Feldspathic Breccia" is, not only, of
extraterrestrial origins, but, it is of Lunar origins; as described &
published by a number of "esteemed" scientists. ?For those individuals
who need to see Ni, in a specimen, in order to classify the specimen as
extraterrestrial, I've highlighted these just for you!
?? As an alternative, or option, in accepting, or declining my
challenge, Mr. Hupe is welcome to bid on, or purchase one, or both, of
these specimens, at the current retail price listed on my Ebay
postings. ?All transactions must be completed through Ebay channels, so
if Mr. Hupe, or anyone else, is interested in the 6.0kg "Uncompahgre
Lunar Feldspathic Breccia," just let me know, and I will get it posted!


Specimen #1: (394 grams) As posted on Ebay: Au (-9), Pt (29), Ag (-6),
Pd (-6), Fe (5,575), Zr (138), Sr (606), Rb (54), Pb (26), Zn (20), Cu
(156), Ni (66), Co (114), Ba (582), Cs (310).


Specimen #2: (6.0kgs); Au (-9), Pt (41), Ag (-7), Pd (-7), Fe (10.4K),
Zr (180), Sr (491), Rb (69), Th (9), Pb (62), Ni (65), Co (240), Mn
(4,402), Ba (998), Cs (151).


?? For Mr. Hupe, and for those who may need assistance in recognizing
extraterrestrial debris, as in meteorites, I am providing the following
link for your perusal, and continuing education. ?It is obvious, that
most IMCA members, could use a bit of continuing education!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining


?
Cheers & Bona Petite!
Steve
?

  
Received on Tue 06 Sep 2011 02:03:10 PM PDT