[meteorite-list] "Faster Than the Speed of Light" NeutrinosRevisited

From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:22:25 -0500
Message-ID: <684D5D9DD94B4D3AAC50DB3397285522_at_ATARIENGINE2>

The original paper announcing the superluminal
flight time is available here:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1109/1109.4897.pdf

A great deal of it is taken up with the problems of
correcting and measuring the TOF (time of flight).
There is a lot of discussion of the GPS accuracy.
They do not mention explicitly correcting for the
satellite motion (moving clock frame) among all
the specific corrections they apply.

They do diagram and discuss the GPS satellite
as if it were in a fixed reference frame; they don't
SAY that but they talk about the satellite as if it
were. van Elburg may well have pinpointed their
mistake.

Their "speeding" measurements may be so accurate
and consistent because they're measuring a well-
known effect of special relativity, and measuring it
very well!

But it's got to be embarassing if true...


Sterling K. Webb
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From: "Paul H." <oxytropidoceras at cox.net>
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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Faster Than the Speed of Light"
NeutrinosRevisited


> In "[meteorite-list] ebay restriction on international
> auctions of meteorites? and faster than the speed of
> light neutrinos!" at
> http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-September/079945.html
> Phil wrote,
>
> "Also, this is pretty cool:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true
>
> Faster than light particles found, claim scientists
> Particle physicists detect neutrinos travelling faster
> than light, a feat forbidden by Einstein's theory of
> special relativity"
>
> And in the same thread at:
> http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-September/079946.html ,
> Pete wrote:
>
> "If there is anything to this story, then everything
> we ever knew about Physics will now go out the window.
> You gotta love it!!!! Cutting edge!!!!!!"
>
> A recent article about the hypothesized "faster than
> light" neutrinos is:
>
> Faster-than-Light Neutrino Puzzle Claimed Solved by
> Special Relativity, The Physics arXiv Blog, Oct. 14, 2011
> http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27260/
>
> "The relativistic motion of clocks on board GPS satellites
> exactly accounts for the superluminal effect, says physicist."
>
> The paper is:
>
> van Elburg, R. A. J., 2011, Times of Flight between a
> Source and a Detector observed from a GPS satelite.
> arXiv:1110.2685v1 [physics.gen-ph], http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2685
>
> PDF file at http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.2685v1
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
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