[meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC Camera

From: Michael Gilmer <*meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <CAKBPJW9Vef2HAmP492mc=CmZgRN=8YDX2NaruJakqeQpS+stEw_at_mail.gmail.com> · meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com

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On 11/3/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:
> Shame, Shame, Shame.  Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave,
> being a champion of alloidal ownership of (real) property.  The
> Bavarians had it right when they established (1813) "_Nullum crimen,
> nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali_" and luckily internationally
> this is the precedent applied.  So Mitchell should have given it away
> to a foreign collector and he would have been in the clear.
>
> Besides the obvious connection to space traveling merchandise, this is
> of concern to all US collectors for understanding what the government
> can and can't regulate "ex-post facto".
>
> Administrative Agencies such as NASA have the ability to distort
> retroactively the interpretation of the law, such as the present case
> with abandoned property - the camera - (vs. eminent domain for real
> property); The US Supreme Court, in setting a landmark precedent ruled
> in 1928:
>
> "...The power to require readjustments for the past is drastic. [It may
> reasonably exist in cases where the particular rate has been approved
> by the Commission after full hearing;] it ought not to be extended so
> as to permit unreasonably harsh action without very plain words...."
>
> BRIMSTONE R. & CANAL CO. v. UNITED STATES et. al., 276 US 104 (1928);
> 276 US 104
> No. 240 Argued Oct. 10, 11, 1927; Decided Feb. 20, 1928.
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David R Childs <david.childs7 at btinternet.com>
> To: Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com>
> Cc: Meteorite-list <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 7:07 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC
> Camera
>
>
> Shame on Nasa. To do this to a great man is a travesty.
> I have left my comment on YouTube.
>
> David R Childs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:22 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC
> Camera
>
>
>>
>>
>> I know that this is off topic, but not really considering all the
> valuable
>> data
>> that those brave Apollo Astronauts brought back for science.
>>
>> And even today the rocks are being studied and the radionuclide's
> detected
>> tell us the age and also the resources that we might obtain should
> the
>> United States ever return and complete what we should have done
> decades
>> ago. And in a way it does relate to our quest of and classification
> of
>> lunar meteorites, without that data that they brought back,
> comparisons
>> and identifications of lunar meteorites would be harder than they are
> now.
>>
>> The issue that bothers me is the fact that Dr. Ed Mitchell, sixth man
> to
>> set foot on the Moon was sued by the United States Goverment for
> having
>> and wanting to sell a DAC Camera that would otherwise have been
> destroyed
>> on the Moon.
>>
>> All Apollo Lunar Astronauts were given the incentive to retain items
> from
>> the LM if they met weight requirements as per the Mission Commander's
>> approval at the time of the mission.
>>
>> So for four decades he held on to this camera... Till he decided to
>> auction it in his now 80 years of life.
>>
>> NASA and our Government then sued him for possession.  And under that
>> duress he
>> surrendered the camera.
>>
>> This is a travesty, done to a great man, recipient of the Medal of
>> Freedom,  And
>> the lawsuit is a disgrace,,, Shame on NASA and our Government for
> treating
>> him so.
>>
>> So with that in mind I posted a video on Youtube with a call for
> public
>> action to rectify this disgrace.
>>
>> First see this one as background:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bttkWVERGVs
>>
>> Then my video with a call for action:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3DtuH_-5s
>>
>> Legal actions by our Government for seizure of such artifacts, due to
>> their loss of records affects all that have Apollo memorabilia.
>>
>> And of the over 1000 members of this list there may be some that have
> such
>> artifacts.
>>
>> I have two Apollo artifacts that have no record of transfer.  One was
>> given to me by a personal friend Eugene Shoemaker, and the other I
> won in
>> an Ebay auction.  Most true Apollo Mission artifacts that are being
>> bought,sold and auctioned are in the same category, no "records of
>> transfer."
>>
>> It is events like this lawsuit against Ed Mitchell that really upsets
> my
>> trust in our Government, which seems to be out of control... As if
> there
>> are things more important than improving our economy and doing some
> good
>> for all.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> P.S. Hope I have not "taxed" anyone with my long OT post.
>>
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