[meteorite-list] Fw: 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's

From: T Parker <neshuee_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:41:12 -0700
Message-ID: <03FE601FE2AA46489E174B3AF1EF020C_at_helmet>

Congratulations to Larry,Terri and Scott! Awesome crusted stones for a dry
lake bed find. Wish I could have made it up for one more hunt with you Larry
before your trek home. That white ground sure beats the heck out of the
ground we've been hunting lately. Great going guys and nice pics........Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <wahlperry at aol.com>;
<jl at hc.fdn.com>; <ontheroad at usairborne.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's


> Hey Everyone,
>
> I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I
> loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada
> dry lake hunt that Scott reported on.
>
> http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/
>
> It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with
> good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and
> dog too!
>
> I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure,
> thanks guys!
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry Atkins
>
> IMCA # 1941
> Ebay alienrockfarm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Lutzon <jl at hc.fdn.com>
> To: U.S. Airborne <ontheroad at usairborne.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds
>
>
> Terri, Scott & Sundance
> Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a
> great trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time.
> In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite
> German Grob, supposedly rated _at_ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and
> then
> saw "grey". Don't go there!
> With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of
> your new finds and the story behind them!! I envy your ability to take
> such trips and enjoy the fever of "just one
> more hunt". (are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can
> Larry
> cook?) Sorry Larry.
> I hope others chime in on your story and new finds. The best to Sundance.
> John Lutzon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S. Airborne"
> <ontheroad at usairborne.com> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent:
> Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt,
> New Lake Bed finds
>> Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & I
> had
>> to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add
> a
>> few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with
>> blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15
> then
>> 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a
> few
>> days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we
>> worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over
> 600
>> meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed #
> 2. It
>> was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was
> draining
>> into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge
> for
>> a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans
> living
>> in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made
> arrangements
>> for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed
> #3.
>> once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the
>> correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in
>> remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my
> lance
>> camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer
> wheel had
>> blown, so by the time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I had
> thrown
>> in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I
>> tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch
>> larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I
>> unhooked the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. I
> gave
>> Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.
> My
>> drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire
> stores
>> left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I
> arrived
>> into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that
> did
>> not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed
> the
>> rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still
> leaking
>> air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped
> leaking
>> air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on
> this bad
>> rim & tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all
> tires &
>> two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the
> hunt.
>> Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with no
> finds
>> and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then on
> day two
>> Larry & found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day
>> before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 min
> later I
>> found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft from
> Larry's
>> find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good & figured
> it
>> was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past lunch so we
> headed
>> back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our finds & bring her
> back
>> after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from lunch & back hunting,
>> within about 10 min I was showing Terri the string of rocks that we
> were
>> going to hunt real good. Just as I said she needs to find a nice big
> one,
>> I look down & there was a nice 60 gram specimen right in front of me.
> As I
>> was documenting my find. Terri located a real nice meteorite of her
> own,
>> it was a very nice looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice
>> olivine. Then just after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100
>> yards off Larry makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh looking
> rock.
>> It was amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice finding
> run
>> as we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting in
> this
>> area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice
>> meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this new
> location
>> was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like 4 to
> possibly 5
>> different meteorite falls. Once they get classified then we will know
> for
>> sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry had to head the to
> east &
>> we headed west towards Ca. I was like a Alcoholic needing a other
> drink .
>> Or like a gambler that wants that one last bet. As a meteorite
> hunting
>> junky I needed just 1 more hunt. Just give me one more & I will be
> O.K. to
>> leave the lovely deserts I love so much. I knew of other lake beds I
> could
>> hunt on our way west but time was getting short. Terri was turning
> into a
>> meteorite hunting junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Feb
> in AZ.
>> and then her 300 finds at the first strune field, then her last find
> a few
>> days back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. So
> with
>> both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had better
> stop
>> in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this lake bed
> before
>> & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we arrived we found the
>> lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it was before. The
> location I
>> had found meteorite before was now bare of all rocks all together.
> Just in
>> 1 winter this area totally changed. I followed some ice rafted rocks
> and
>> some other debris like old rubber tires that all got blown across the
> lake
>> bed in super strong NE winds & likely frozen lake bed. So we followed
> the
>> signs & hunted the western shore line where it all was blown into.
> Within
>> 15 min of hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite that
> feels
>> like a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else reviled
> itself
>> to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had to
> leave.
>> It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive or find
> our way
>> off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks & followed them off
> in the
>> white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki side by side off & she
> surely
>> ate lots of dust on her way off the lake bed. The blow down happened
> very
>> quickly & lasted for the afternoon. We are now in Ca. teaching flying
> & I
>> got to say I wish I was back hunting for flying rocks. On a great
> note, my
>> wife Terri is hooked big big time now on meteorite hunting. And I got
> to
>> say she is quite the hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun &
> knowing
>> meteorite hunter & great to hunt with. Now back to important issues
> in
>> trying to figure out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State.
> Happy
>> hunting to all! When I get time I will post a link for photos. Scott ,
>> Terri & Sundance Johnson U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC Eagles Nest
>> Airpark Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S www.usairborne.com
>> info at usairborne.com Office 509-780-0554 Cell
>> 509-780-8377 --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011
>> 9:28 AM To: <jimwooddell at gmail.com>;
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real
>> or not real.
>>>
>>> Greg, Jim, List, I found something while following up on a meteorite
>>> lead, a story of
> a
>>> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock that
> supposedly
>>> fell right in front of him. Many years later the great grandson wanted
>>> to
> get
>>> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be found. He enlisted me to search
>>> the property where the farm once stood and
> I
>>> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great grandson saw the
> rock
>>> still setting on the ground where I found it he got really excited
> about,
>>> saying that he recognized it, I had found the 'meteorite'. I almost hate
>>> to dredge this story up but it is relevant to the
> thread.
>>>
>>> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks of its discovery and after
>>> passing through the hands of several esteemed meteorite experts It was
>>> sent to the U.S.Dept. of Energy for Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the
>>> U.S. D.O.E. not a meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I asked
> what it
>>> was they said they did not know, they were so certain it was a meteorite
>>> that they tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than they expected to find
>>> in a normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a rock
>>> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due to its
> Ni
>>> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko Island.
> Since
>>> then, samples of it have been archived at three different
> Univerities
>>> for 'future study' should anything arise (or fall) to justify it. My own
>>> amateur research indicates to me that it may possibly be some
> sort of
>>> impact debris, possibly related to the KT impact. Two main reasons for
>>> this potential conclusion are the fact that Argon dating puts it at the
>>> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10 million, and the fact that there are some
>>> unusual crystals, tiny Cr spinels with a peculiar feature that are
> only
>>> found in one other place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those
>>> crystals, (in the KT) are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt
>>> immediately adjacent to the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a
>>> possible relation. These crystals in the KT layer are thought to
> have
>>> condensed and precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet.
>>> There is
> another
>>> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor. To address Jim
>>> Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told flat
> out
>>> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the final
>>> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding and
>>> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a bunch
> of
>>> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out to be
>>> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand this I
>>> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really odd
> stuff
>>> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed fall. Of
>>> course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man made rock
> that
>>> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at it saying it
> is
>>> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that it is a very
>>> unusual rock. This is evident when looking at a sawn surface, you ca see
>>> that it's
> made
>>> of minerals with texture, it looks nearly identicle to D'Orbigny. In
>>> fact, several experts thought it was an angrite at first look. When I
>>> saw D'Orbigny the first time in
> ET's
>>> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling in the
>>> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer examination I
> saw
>>> that the crystals were not the same. To this day I do not know it's true
>>> origin, any meteoriticists or impact experts out there with deep pockets
>>> and nothing to lose care
> to
>>> take a stab at it? I posted some pictures to photobucket.
>>> http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/ Ths
>>> is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly one
> of the
>>> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time. Happy Hunting!
>>> Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm Sincerely, Larry
>>> Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com> To: Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47 am
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. Hello Jeff, The problem
>>> with that analogy is that visual inspection is only a
> very
>>> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post appears to suggest
>>> the scientist could not tell, it does not indicate that any testing was
>>> completed on it. What testing was done on it??? I could be totally wrong
>>> but sure hope that with the bazillions of
> tax
>>> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and age, I would suggest
>>> that there better not be a rock out there the scientist can not
>>> identify. I really get the impression that maybe the scientists where
>>> being polite and not attempting to burst your bubble? Respectfully, what
>>> scientist in their right mind would turn down a valid cold find or a new
>>> fall specimen? Does this actually happen??? Any scientists out there???
>>> Check out my number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia :
>>> http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro) Kind Regards,
>>> Jim Wooddell http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org ---
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff Kuyken
> <info at meteorites.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I have a stone from years ago that appears oriented but weathered.
> It
>>> was
>>>> originally thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to pan
> out
>>>> clearly. The problem was that the very qualified scientist could
> not
>>> say for
>>>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like an
>>> Earth
>>>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive and the
> budget
>>>> didn't allow for it. The thing is that the stone was even taken along
>>>> to one of the
> Annual
>>> Met
>>>> Society meetings and passed around to various people along with a
>>> couple of
>>>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A couple
>>> suggested
>>>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one person could come up
>>> with any
>>>> idea of where or how it formed. Basically they said to just wait
> and
>>> see if
>>>> any other similar NWA's showed up over the years. I'm still
> waiting!
>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> So yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the
>>> best.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "GREG LINDH"
>>>> <geeg48 at msn.com> To: "meteorite-list"
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011
>>>> 4:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To all, Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to
>>>>> be definitively identified as a meteorite? In other words, are there
>>> stones
>>>>> (metal or stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine
>>> closely,
>>>>> and then just say, "We just don't know"? Greg L.
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