[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's

From: Count Deiro <countdeiro_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:29:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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SORRY FOR MISSPELLING YOUR NAME, TERRI
GUIDO

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>From: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 11, 2011 11:15 PM
>To: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, wahlperry at aol.com, jl at hc.fdn.com, ontheroad at usairborne.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
>
>Congrats Scott, Terry and Larry,
>Those are some nice meteorites. Much better looking than the average Nevada chondrite. Thank you for the posts and pics. I'll bet you were thrilled by your first finds.
>
>Guido
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>Sent: May 11, 2011 8:03 PM
>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, wahlperry at aol.com, jl at hc.fdn.com, ontheroad at usairborne.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
>>
>>Hey Everyone,
>>
>>I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I
>>loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada
>>dry lake hunt that Scott reported on.
>>
>>http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/
>>
>>It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with
>>good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and
>>dog too!
>>
>>I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure,
>>thanks guys!
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Atkins
>>?
>>IMCA # 1941
>>Ebay?alienrockfarm
>>?
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Lutzon <jl at hc.fdn.com>
>>To: U.S. Airborne <ontheroad at usairborne.com>
>>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds
>>
>>
>>Terri, Scott & Sundance?
>>?
>>Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a
>>great?
>>trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time.?
>>?
>>In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite
>>German?
>>Grob, supposedly rated _at_ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and then
>>saw?
>>"grey". Don't go there!?
>>?
>>With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of
>>your?
>>new finds and the story behind them!!?
>>I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of "just one
>>more?
>>hunt".?
>>(are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larry
>>cook?)?
>>Sorry Larry.?
>>?
>>I hope others chime in on your story and new finds.?
>>The best to Sundance.?
>>?
>>John Lutzon?
>>?
>>?
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S. Airborne"
>><ontheroad at usairborne.com>?
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM?
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds?
>>?
>>> Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & I
>>had?
>>> to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add
>>a?
>>> few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with?
>>> blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15
>>then?
>>> 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a
>>few?
>>> days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we?
>>> worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over
>>600?
>>> meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed #
>>2. It?
>>> was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was
>>draining?
>>> into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge
>>for?
>>> a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans
>>living?
>>> in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made
>>arrangements?
>>> for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed
>>#3.?
>>> once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the?
>>> correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in?
>>> remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my
>>lance?
>>> camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer
>>wheel had?
>>> blown, so by the time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I had
>>thrown?
>>> in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I?
>>> tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch?
>>> larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I?
>>> unhooked the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. I
>>gave?
>>> Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.
>>My?
>>> drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire
>>stores?
>>> left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I
>>arrived?
>>> into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that
>>did?
>>> not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed
>>the?
>>> rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still
>>leaking?
>>> air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped
>>leaking?
>>> air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on
>>this bad?
>>> rim & tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all
>>tires &?
>>> two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the
>>hunt.?
>>> Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with no
>>finds?
>>> and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then on
>>day two?
>>> Larry & found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day?
>>> before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 min
>>later I?
>>> found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft from
>>Larry's?
>>> find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good & figured
>>it?
>>> was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past lunch so we
>>headed?
>>> back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our finds & bring her
>>back?
>>> after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from lunch & back hunting,?
>>> within about 10 min I was showing Terri the string of rocks that we
>>were?
>>> going to hunt real good. Just as I said she needs to find a nice big
>>one,?
>>> I look down & there was a nice 60 gram specimen right in front of me.
>>As I?
>>> was documenting my find. Terri located a real nice meteorite of her
>>own,?
>>> it was a very nice looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice?
>>> olivine. Then just after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100?
>>> yards off Larry makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh looking
>>rock.?
>>> It was amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice finding
>>run?
>>> as we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting in
>>this?
>>> area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice?
>>> meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this new
>>location?
>>> was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like 4 to
>>possibly 5?
>>> different meteorite falls. Once they get classified then we will know
>>for?
>>> sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry had to head the to
>>east &?
>>> we headed west towards Ca. I was like a Alcoholic needing a other
>>drink .?
>>> Or like a gambler that wants that one last bet. As a meteorite
>>hunting?
>>> junky I needed just 1 more hunt. Just give me one more & I will be
>>O.K. to?
>>> leave the lovely deserts I love so much. I knew of other lake beds I
>>could?
>>> hunt on our way west but time was getting short. Terri was turning
>>into a?
>>> meteorite hunting junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Feb
>>in AZ.?
>>> and then her 300 finds at the first strune field, then her last find
>>a few?
>>> days back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. So
>>with?
>>> both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had better
>>stop?
>>> in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this lake bed
>>before?
>>> & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we arrived we found the?
>>> lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it was before. The
>>location I?
>>> had found meteorite before was now bare of all rocks all together.
>>Just in?
>>> 1 winter this area totally changed. I followed some ice rafted rocks
>>and?
>>> some other debris like old rubber tires that all got blown across the
>>lake?
>>> bed in super strong NE winds & likely frozen lake bed. So we followed
>>the?
>>> signs & hunted the western shore line where it all was blown into.
>>Within?
>>> 15 min of hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite that
>>feels?
>>> like a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else reviled
>>itself?
>>> to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had to
>>leave.?
>>> It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive or find
>>our way?
>>> off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks & followed them off
>>in the?
>>> white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki side by side off & she
>>surely?
>>> ate lots of dust on her way off the lake bed. The blow down happened
>>very?
>>> quickly & lasted for the afternoon. We are now in Ca. teaching flying
>>& I?
>>> got to say I wish I was back hunting for flying rocks. On a great
>>note, my?
>>> wife Terri is hooked big big time now on meteorite hunting. And I got
>>to?
>>> say she is quite the hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun &
>>knowing?
>>> meteorite hunter & great to hunt with. Now back to important issues
>>in?
>>> trying to figure out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State.
>>Happy?
>>> hunting to all!?
>>> When I get time I will post a link for photos.?
>>> Scott , Terri & Sundance Johnson?
>>> U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC?
>>> Eagles Nest Airpark?
>>> Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S?
>>> www.usairborne.com?
>>> info at usairborne.com?
>>> Office 509-780-0554?
>>> Cell 509-780-8377?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> --------------------------------------------------?
>>> From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>?
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:28 AM?
>>> To: <jimwooddell at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.?
>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Greg, Jim, List,?
>>>>?
>>>> I found something while following up on a meteorite lead, a story of
>>a?
>>>> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock that
>>supposedly?
>>>> fell?
>>>> right in front of him. Many years later the great grandson wanted to
>>get?
>>>> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be found.?
>>>> He enlisted me to search the property where the farm once stood and
>>I?
>>>> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great grandson saw the
>>rock?
>>>> still setting on the ground where I found it he got really excited
>>about,?
>>>> saying that he recognized it, I had found the 'meteorite'.?
>>>>?
>>>> I almost hate to dredge this story up but it is relevant to the
>>thread.?
>>>>?
>>>> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks of its discovery and after?
>>>> passing through?
>>>> the hands of several esteemed meteorite experts It was sent to the?
>>>> U.S.Dept. of Energy for?
>>>> Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the?
>>>> U.S. D.O.E. not a meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I asked
>>what it?
>>>> was they said they did not know, they were so certain it was a?
>>>> meteorite that they tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than?
>>>> they expected to find in a?
>>>> normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a rock?
>>>> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due to its
>>Ni?
>>>> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko Island.
>>Since?
>>>> then, samples of it have been archived at three different
>>Univerities?
>>>> for 'future study' should anything arise (or fall) to justify it. My?
>>>> own amateur research indicates to me that it may possibly be some
>>sort of?
>>>> impact?
>>>> debris, possibly related to the KT impact. Two main reasons for this?
>>>> potential conclusion are the fact that Argon dating puts it at the?
>>>> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10 million, and the fact that there are some?
>>>> unusual crystals, tiny Cr spinels with a peculiar feature that are
>>only?
>>>> found in one other place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those?
>>>> crystals, (in the KT) are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt?
>>>> immediately adjacent to the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a?
>>>> possible relation. These crystals in the KT layer are thought to
>>have?
>>>> condensed and?
>>>> precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet. There is
>>another?
>>>> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor.?
>>>>?
>>>> To address Jim Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told flat
>>out?
>>>> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the final?
>>>> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding and?
>>>> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a bunch
>>of?
>>>> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out to be?
>>>> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand this I?
>>>> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really odd
>>stuff?
>>>> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed fall.?
>>>>?
>>>> Of course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man made rock
>>that?
>>>> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at it saying it
>>is?
>>>> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that it is a very?
>>>> unusual rock.?
>>>> This is evident when looking at a sawn surface, you ca see that it's
>>made?
>>>> of minerals with texture, it looks nearly?
>>>> identicle to D'Orbigny. In fact, several experts thought it was?
>>>> an angrite at first look. When I saw D'Orbigny the first time in
>>ET's?
>>>> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling in the?
>>>> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer examination I
>>saw?
>>>> that the crystals were not the same.?
>>>>?
>>>> To this day I do not know it's true origin, any meteoriticists or?
>>>> impact experts out there with deep pockets and nothing to lose care
>>to?
>>>> take a stab at it??
>>>>?
>>>> I posted some pictures to photobucket.?
>>>>?
>>>> http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/?
>>>>?
>>>> Ths is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly one
>>of the?
>>>> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time.?
>>>>?
>>>> Happy Hunting!?
>>>>?
>>>> Sincerely,?
>>>> Larry Atkins?
>>>>?
>>>> IMCA # 1941?
>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Sincerely,?
>>>> Larry Atkins?
>>>> IMCA # 1941?
>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> -----Original Message-----?
>>>> From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>?
>>>> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47 am?
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Hello Jeff,?
>>>>?
>>>> The problem with that analogy is that visual inspection is only a
>>very?
>>>> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post appears to?
>>>> suggest the scientist could not tell, it does not indicate that any?
>>>> testing was completed on it. What testing was done on it????
>>>> I could be totally wrong but sure hope that with the bazillions of
>>tax?
>>>> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and age, I would?
>>>> suggest that there better not be a rock out there the scientist can?
>>>> not identify.?
>>>> I really get the impression that maybe the scientists where being?
>>>> polite and not attempting to burst your bubble??
>>>> Respectfully, what scientist in their right mind would turn down a?
>>>> valid cold find or a new fall specimen? Does this actually happen????
>>>> Any scientists out there????
>>>>?
>>>> Check out my number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia :?
>>>> http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro)?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Kind Regards,?
>>>>?
>>>> Jim Wooddell?
>>>> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org?
>>>> ---?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff Kuyken
>><info at meteorites.com.au>?
>>>> wrote:?
>>>>> I have a stone from years ago that appears oriented but weathered.
>>It?
>>>> was?
>>>>> originally thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to pan
>>out?
>>>>> clearly. The problem was that the very qualified scientist could
>>not?
>>>> say for?
>>>>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like an?
>>>> Earth?
>>>>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive and the
>>budget?
>>>>> didn't allow for it.?
>>>>>?
>>>>> The thing is that the stone was even taken along to one of the
>>Annual?
>>>> Met?
>>>>> Society meetings and passed around to various people along with a?
>>>> couple of?
>>>>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A couple?
>>>> suggested?
>>>>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one person could come up?
>>>> with any?
>>>>> idea of where or how it formed. Basically they said to just wait
>>and?
>>>> see if?
>>>>> any other similar NWA's showed up over the years. I'm still
>>waiting!?
>>>> ;-)?
>>>>>?
>>>>> So yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the?
>>>> best.?
>>>>>?
>>>>> Cheers,?
>>>>>?
>>>>> Jeff?
>>>>>?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>?
>>>>> To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:47 AM?
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.?
>>>>>?
>>>>>?
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>?
>>>>>> To all,?
>>>>>>?
>>>>>> Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to be?
>>>>>> definitively identified as a meteorite? In other words, are there?
>>>> stones?
>>>>>> (metal or stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine?
>>>> closely,?
>>>>>> and then just say, "We just don't know"??
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>?
>>>>>> Greg L.?
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