[meteorite-list] Double Planets
From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: <94B1B9AD1013463393E0005543F9F1D8_at_ATARIENGINE2> Hi, Walter, List, > The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be > whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in > space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true "double planet system" under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=barycenter+jose&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of "double planet." OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> To: <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Received on Fri 18 Mar 2011 10:11:23 PM PDT |
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