[meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 16, 2011

From: Matthias Bärmann <majbaermann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:01:56 +0100
Message-ID: <1409BEDF2D824D16884EB8E37735E705_at_thinkcentre>

I already congratulated Arnaud privately: what a wonderful piece of Sikhote!
Exactly the same with Rob's irons: simply breathtaking! I have to realize
that I came too late in the field of meteorites :-(

But: is it really possible to turn a "0" around ^^

Best to all,

Matthias B.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>
To: "Rob Lenssen" <rlenssen at planet.nl>
Cc: "'MeteoriteList'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March
16,2011


> Thanks for the links to those pictures Rob. They support the possibility
> of Arnaud's specimen being numbered 0098 (as opposed to 8600) because they
> are smaller individuals whose serial numbers fall within the range of his
> piece.
>
> gary
>
> On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Rob Lenssen wrote:
>
>> Hi Arnaud (and List),
>>
>> The label talk reminded me of a Sikhote Alin Label discussion we had on
>> this
>> List about 10 years ago (how time flies...)
>> As the List archives "only" go back to 2004, I added two of the Emails
>> below. I think they contain information that may be of interest to you.
>> Not all of the links in there are working, but I reloaded mine.
>>
>> Here are some more photos of labeled S-A's, I collected back then (the
>> photos!).
>> Don't remember the sources. I hope the owners will forgive me posting
>> without asking permission:
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote02_label.jpg
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote03_label.jpg
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Sikhote04_label.jpg
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Rob Lenssen
>>
>> PS: For those interested, here are some more recent photos of my best
>> Sikhote Alin:
>> http://www.asteroidchippings.com/collection_links/Sikhote_Alin_473g.html
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Namens The Tricottet
>> Collection
>> Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2011 16:22
>> Aan: Gary F; Michael Johnson
>> CC: MeteoriteList
>> Onderwerp: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March
>> 16,
>> 2011
>>
>>
>> First thank you all for your nice comments.
>>
>> Gary, I thought the same thing but I would not trust their typewriters.
>> You
>> can see for example that they used the letter "I" instead of the number
>> "1"
>> for that specimen:
>> http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/img/img_met/1-5_SikhoteAlin_SAS.jpg
>> Or maybe the "8" is stretched because of the soft sticker.
>>
>> Moreover, it seems that all early numbers are very large masses.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
>> The Tricottet Collection
>> (Historic Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com
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>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com] Namens
>> geoking at notkin.net
>> Verzonden: zondag 4 november 2001 5:19
>> Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Numbering of Meteorites + Krinov Book [long]
>>
>> Dear Dave, Rob, Steve, and List:
>>
>> I'd like to return to the thread from a few days back, when Dave Harris,
>> Rob
>> Lenssen, Steve Schoner and I were discussing labels on some "old
>> collection"
>> Sikhote-Alins. Collection numbers interest me, so I've done a bit more
>> research over the past few days.
>>
>> Just to recap: Dave and I both recently acquired nice, uncleaned and
>> slightly rusted Sikhotes from Rob Wesel (thanks Rob). They carry a white
>> gauze label, with four-digit typewritten collection numbers.
>> Steve Schoner was quite certain these are Russian National Academy of
>> Sciences numbers, and Rob provided some useful info and photos, and also
>> had
>> a labelling question (I think I have your answer, Rob, see below).
>> However,
>> the actual numbers on our specimens don't match Krinov's numbers, so
>> there
>> was some doubt.
>>
>> First off, Rob, in style the labels do appear to match the photos you
>> supplied here:
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg and here:
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg
>>
>> I find it odd that specimens with really low numbers, like the one in
>> Rob's
>> photo "0067," and mine "0112," were evidently not collected during the
>> first
>> expedition to Sikhote-Alin, due to the light coating of rust. You would
>> expect the really low numbers to have been from the earliest expedition
>> (and
>> therefore to be in nearly pristine condition), but I suppose they could
>> have
>> been numbered out of order at a later date -- back in Moscow or St.
>> Petersburg. Or maybe they
>> were just left outside in an old crate somewhere : )
>>
>> Anyway, I have to agree with Steve S., and I think I've found proof that
>> these are official Russian labels. Earlier this year, I had the good
>> fortune
>> to acquire a signed copy of Krinov's book about Tunguska and
>> Sikhote-Alin.
>> This book used to belong to Dr. Elbert King, and I ended up with it
>> thanks
>> to Steve Arnold of I.M.B. The book is
>> (obviously) in Russian and, as far as I know, has unfortunately never
>> been
>> translated into English. My very basic Russian is not up to the task. The
>> title reads (phonetically) "Zhelezny Dozhd," and the cover is a two-color
>> reprint of the famous Sikhote-Alin stamp. On pg. 54 of the book --
>> published
>> in 1981 -- is a b/w photo of a Sikhote-Alin specimen which appears to
>> carry
>> the same type of label. I know it's a terribly bad quality image, but you
>> should have seen it before I cleaned it up in Photoshop : )
>>
>> Have a look: http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm
>>
>> Compare the b/w image to the color pic of my Sikhote-Alin "0112,"
>> immediately below on the same page.
>>
>> Steve, if you have time, it would be most interesting to see a photo of
>> one
>> of your Sikhotes with the labels that you know to be from the Russian
>> Academy.
>>
>> Finally, Rob asked if anyone could help him to identify the label on his
>> collection piece here:
>>
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg
>>
>>
>> Rob, please compare your photo to the bottom picture on my page:
>>
>> http://www.notkin.net/collection-numbers.htm
>>
>>
>> My photo is of a piece of Chico Hills, New Mexico (H4). The yellow and
>> black
>> collection number appears to match the one on your specimen, and is from
>> the
>> Herb Obodda Collection. Herb was a well-known mineral collector, who also
>> had a substantial meteorite collection. Allan Lang of R.A. Langheinrich
>> Meteorites provided me with this specimen, and the information about the
>> collection labels (thanks Allan). Hopefully that answers your question.
>> BTW,
>> the other label is from the Barbara Curatin Collection (not sure about
>> the
>> spelling of her name).
>>
>> Okay, I hope I haven't put the rest of you to sleep, but hopefully Dave
>> and
>> Rob are happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
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>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-admin at meteoritecentral.com] Namens Rob Lenssen
>> Verzonden: donderdag 1 november 2001 22:03
>> Onderwerp: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> It's not that I want to spoil your party, but I also own a
>> Sikhote-Alin-with-a-label, and just like you did some research.
>>
>> This is what I found:
>>
>> Krinov's book "Giant Meteorites" contains a great section about the
>> Sikhote-Alin meteorite shower. There are nice pictures like this one
>> ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA2.jpg ) of some of the 313
>> unfragmented
>> whole single specimens found during the 1947-1950 expeditions. It also
>> contains a complete list of all specimens found, including their Soviet
>> Academy of Sciences inventory numbers. They are all four digit numbers
>> starting at least with a "1". Lots of 1600-numbers though.
>>
>> In the journal Chem. d. Erde (15 Chem. Erde Bd. XXIX; in German) dated
>> 1970
>> (Walter Zeitschel kindly provided me with a copy 6 years ago), Dr. Krinov
>> also reports about the 1967-1969 expeditions. Also some pictures here
>> like
>> this one ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA3.jpg ). Also two and three
>> number digits this time. Krinov reports about 958 more unfragmented whole
>> single specimens found. He talkes about good preservation of the crust,
>> although also having brown color due to oxidation. More expeditions were
>> expected to follow (1970 and later).
>>
>> Dave, your typewritten '0086'-number on a "look like linen"-label,
>> reminded
>> me of a picture a saw in a dealers catalog ("Catalog and handbook of
>> meteorites") I received in 1992. Does your sample look like this number
>> "0067", I scanned from the catalog:
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SA1.jpg
>> ?
>> I don't know it's origin, but it certainly does not have the surface
>> quality
>> of the 1947-1950 Krinov finds.
>>
>> No answers here, but I hope you appreciate the information.
>>
>> I am also still looking for information on the origin of my sample (
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7a.jpg ,
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7b.jpg ,
>> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/SikhoteAlin-7e.jpg ). I bought it from
>> Eric
>> Twelker from "meteoritemarket" + like it very much. It does not look be
>> wire-brushed or chemically cleaned. Trying to find some info, I sent an
>> Email to the curator of the Soviet Academy of Sciences collection two
>> months
>> ago, but did not get an answer (yet).
>> Anybody else who can shed some light here?
>>
>> Rob Lenssen
>>
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: Dave Harris <entropydave at ic24.net>
>> Aan: geoking at notkin.net <geoking at notkin.net>; metlist
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> CC: Rob and Colleen <iguana at pcez.com>
>> Datum: donderdag 1 november 2001 19:53
>> Onderwerp: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
>>
>>
>>> Hi Geoff!
>>> Wow! That's some detective work - amazing!!
>>> And that's also some provenance too! Wasn't Krinov the first
>>> investigator of the Tunguska event? I know that name...
>>> I am totally in love with that SA anyway - it was on the original eBay
>>> advert - I recall showing it to a (rather bored) colleague at work
>>> saying "
>>> that's m'boy! I want that one!", but obviously, not being in the
>>> running
>> for
>>> the whole collection I thought it impossible I would procure it - then
>>> the inestimable Mr. Wesel swoops in from no where and scoops the lot
>>> and
>> whaddya
>>> know! I get the chance to buy it!
>>> I prevaricated for a day - had I not I would have had your one too!!!
>>> So, a multitude of thanks to all of those involved - you, Steve Schoner
>>> (a name I have seen an awful lot on the list!) and Rob Wesel for giving
>>> me the opportunity to purchase this breathtaking specimen!
>>> it's gone to a great home!
>>>
>>> dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <geoking at notkin.net>
>>> To: <entropydave at ic24.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:14 PM
>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] numbering of meteorites
>>>
>>>
>>>> Steve Schoner posted:
>>>>
>>>>> These are original Soviet Academy of Sciences labels. That is the
>>>>> way the did it, and I have in my collection two pieces that were
>>>>> sent to me by the late Dr. Krinov in 1972 with the same type
>>>>> labels--
>>>>
>>>> Holy cow! I was hoping they were maybe Russian labels, but I had no
>>> evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Schoner should know -- he is quite the expert (and a very nice
>>>> guy). This is very exciting. Okay, so if you ever decide to get rid
>>>> of that Sikhote, I'm your customer : )
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Geoff N>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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