[meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil

From: cdtucson at cox.net <*cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20110312182333.4LC3K.32972.imail_at_fed1rmwml41> · cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com

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Carl or Debbie Esparza
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---- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hello Richard, Greg, All,
> 
> To date an estimated 2-3 tonnes of shrapnel fragments have been
> recovered, ranging in weight from a few grams to 35 kilograms.  One
> regmaglypted individual was found, weighing 83kg.  It was discovered
> and retained by the scientific expedition that first explored the
> crater, so all that will be available for the likes of us are pieces
> of shrapnel produced by the violent destruction of the main mass when
> it produced the crater.
> 
> some have asserted that it is illegal to export meteorites from Egypt
> without approval from the state.  I looked into the issue, and, as
> best I can tell, this is entirely untrue.  It seems as though the
> academics involved in the discovery and exploration of the crater
> decided to attempt to apply the Egyptian antiquities law that refers
> specifically to man-made/cultural artifacts - to meteorites.  In light
> of that fact, I believe that all of the specimens exported legal, at
> least until Egypt passes a law that acutally prohibits the export of
> minerals specimens and/or meteorites.
> 
> See here: http://www.cprinst.org/cultural-heritage-legislation-in-egypt
> 
> Since there are no clear laws pertaining to meteorites, the real
> question is whether or not a meteorite can be said to have "cultural
> value."
> If we break this idea down, the real question we need to ask pertains
> to the definition of what can be termed "cultural."
> 
> To my kowledge, at least in Egypt, 'law 117' has never been applied to
> objects that were not human artifacts.  (Never.)
> The scientists working on the meteorite claimed that export permits
> were required for meteorites because, "Everything which is found in
> the Egyptian soil is property of the government."  (Tarek Hussein,
> former president of Egypt's Academy of Scientific Research and
> Technology)
> 
> http://www.sott.net/articles/show/213262-Deep-impact-market-the-race-to-acquire-meteorites
> 
> While this claim may be correct in the sense that objects on the
> public land of any country belong to the federal or state government
> with jurisdiction over the given land, if there are no export laws
> pertaining to a given resource, it is not illegal to export it.
> 
> For a perfect example, note that all meteorites found on public and
> BLM land in the US technically belong to the US government.  Since
> there are no US laws pertaining to the export of US meteorites, and
> the government does not enforce their ownership of any of these
> meteorites (with one historic exception), it is generally viewed as
> legal to export meteorites from the US -- even those found on public
> land.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Prices are interesting with the meteorite. I do know that most of the material on the market is "stolen" and should not be sold. Egypt does not allow the export of meteorites and last I read, only about 2kg was approved for export.
> > Its a nice meteorite, but should be considered illegal just like Berduc and others that come from countries with harsh export laws.
> >
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
> > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Richard Montgomery <rickmont at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont at earthlink.net>
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil
> >> To: "'Meteorite-list List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:13 PM
> >> Hello List.? Taking a breath for
> >> a minute following the disaster in Japan, for welcome
> >> relief? (yet God bless them please).... I'll ask about
> >> this since I've been wondering for a while since the crater
> >> was announced:
> >>
> >> Do we yet have an estimated TKW of Gebel Kamil?? Also,
> >> those first images of the couple (I've only seen two) of
> >> complete regmaglypted individuals are somewhere unknown to
> >> me, but wow!!? Which reflects on my next query...what
> >> other 'individual-shrapnel' occurance events to we know of?
> >>
> >> I'm fortunate to own a few nice sand-blasted pieces, as
> >> many of us are.? The auction prices seem low to me.
> >>
> >> Just curious, and wondering.
> >>
> >> -Richard Montgomery
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