[meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1309320105.75420.YahooMailClassic_at_web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I bought several of the displays mentioned. ALL were well under half the listed weight. And there were made and from an IMCA member.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Tue, 6/28/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update ***
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:29 PM
> Dan,
>
> You are 100% right about everything surrounding
> authenticity and I completely agree with your effort to make
> things right - as does your seller who now has the daunting
> problem and expressed an attitude to address it. It was his
> honest mistake as you see. Dealing in meteorites is really
> hard work. It is easy to empathize with your seller as
> everyone has been in a position where something hasn't
> worked out. When evaluating honesty it is good to give them
> a chance to make things right and if they do, casting them
> in a positive light. That sends all the right messages about
> buying and selling meteorites to the 'public'.
>
> Reputation is everything in the meteorite world and I just
> felt bad for a guy living near Kennedy Space Center - your
> seller.
>
> Anything related to KSC is dear to me for nostalgic
> reasons. Now that the Space Shuttle program is dying down
> the place will essentially turn into relatively minor
> operation. Gone is Apollo, crash are our spirits in Florida
> and no major NASA workhorse program is seriously in the
> works. The rocket garden is on its was to being the rusty
> rocket headstones.
>
> Chalk it up to being too sentimental and hoping you get a
> satisfactory conclusion but without any heads rolling except
> with smiles,
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Furlan <danfurlan at gmail.com>
> To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:01 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! *** update
> ***
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> The seller still never checked the items before he re-sold
> them, yes
> this is an honest mistake but very irresponsible and he
> sold hundreds
> of these mounts with the incorrect weight and the people
> who bought
> them paid triple the price of what they are worth retail..
> If i was
> him, i would of done exactly what I did today upon
> receiving the items
> and bust a few of the mounts open and actually weigh the
> specimens
> before selling hundreds of them.. And if i didn't own a
> scale i would
> put it on the top of my shopping list ASAP especially
> before selling
> any lunar material with weights in the milligrams. I don't
> feel i
> dragged anybody through the dirt, all i did was report that
> he was
> selling 24mg mounts that actually weighed 7-10mg. thanks to
> me he is
> able to correct this mistake and hopefully he learns a
> lesson.
> Furthermore people from met-list who may have purchased
> these mounts
> can seek resolution as well. I cannot stress the importance
> of double
> checking anything you buy to re-sell or even for personal
> collection.
> I am sorry we do not see eye to eye on this. How would you
> like to
> buy something that has a certain weight associated with it
> and when
> you check it yourself you realize that the reason it weighs
> 2 thirds
> less then the stated weight is because the seller never
> bothered to
> weigh it?? If you wouldn't be slightly disappointed then I
> am sorry to
> say there is something fundamentally wrong with you. I am
> not here to
> baby sit sellers and understand their mistakes, I am here
> to do
> business with professionals who i can trust will deliver on
> their
> word. Like i mentioned in my previous update i am happy to
> see this
> seller take action and revise his listings and offer
> resolutions. I
> do not regret making my original post one bit because there
> are
> hundreds of people out there who purchased lunar and mars
> material for
> top dollar and didn't get what they paid for and they are
> entitled to
> know about it. You may think I was being inconsiderate by
> making the
> original post but in reality i was being responsible to my
> fellow
> meteorite collectors and dealers who may have purchased
> these mounts
> in the past assuming the weight was correct as well as any
> potential
> buyers who had active bids on them as well. This is the
> price you pay
> when you do business and mess up.. I am a very trusting
> person, and i
> believe what people tell me.. but when i spend a lot of
> money on
> something i wish to re-sell I will guarantee you 100% I am
> going to
> double check everything to make sure it's is o.k. before i
> put it on
> the market with my name on it.
> Daniel Furlan
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> wrote:
> > I was eager to see your reply, Dan.
> >
> > I also corresponded with your seller today. He is
> really a
> conscientious guy
> > with excellent feedback and and incredibly helpful
> attitude.
> >
> > *He readily volunteered earlier to me that it was
> "100% his fault"
> and told
> > me he would do *anything* to make you happy, and that
> he believes you
> > without questioning your integrity in the slightest
> and was pleased
> to know
> > the truth. Too bad all eBayers weren't so inclined.
> >
> > *He also said that the person who sold them to him
> actually made the
> cases,
> > not him, and told him those weights and that he had no
> way of
> checking and
> > he never even opened a case.
> >
> > *He also said that some of his auctions which still
> had the incorrect
> weight
> > vs. the others that never had a weight in the listing
> had nothing to
> do with
> > him "still cheating" as you construed on the list.
> Rather, the
> auctions that
> > were still running hadn't been changed and the ones
> that never had the
> > weights were the buy-it-nows, according to him it was
> just the way he
> had
> > listed them. I didn't check this but it sounds
> plausible..
> >
> > *So, apparently, there was an honest mistake that was
> corrected in
> the most
> > professional manner by a simple communication. Yet you
> dragged this
> guy
> > across the coals in front of 1000 of his potential
> customers without
> > checking better and then you shot me as the messenger
> for suggesting
> to
> > communicate more with him before cryiong wolf. You
> even violated eBay
> policy
> > by linking his name to his username in public, though
> a nitpick, I am
> sure
> > it would genuinely hurt the seller if he knew it - but
> he's not a list
> > member so had no way to know or respond.
> >
> > All the while your seller is apparently holding his
> head down
> embarrassed
> > and trying to make things right. This is the problem
> with a one sided
> story
> > and honestly it seems irresponsible to me on your
> part. Do you agree?
> Good
> > luck in your future dealings, and I hope no one does
> to you what you
> did to
> > him. The kicker is, the guy feels so bad about it that
> all he can say
> is
> > that he understands your frustration and hopes you cut
> him a break.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Furlan <danfurlan at gmail.com>
> > To: met-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50 pm
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buyers BEWARE!!!! ***
> update ***
> >
> >
> > Hello all, I have good news. The seller has promised
> to revise all
> > his listings. He is also offering to replace all the
> mounts that i
> > broke open for free. Furthermore, he is re-negotiating
> a new price
> > with me for these mounts since i purchased a few of
> them now that we
> > have an actual weight and hopefully we can agree on a
> fair price and i
> > will get to keep them. If we cannot agree on a new
> price he has
> > agreed to pay for the return shipping and give me a
> full refund. So
> > just incase anybody has purchased these mounts from
> him, they are
> > actually 7mg - 10mg and he never checked them and he
> appologizes for
> > the mistake and is willing to refund anybody who
> purchased these
> > thinking they were 24mg just send him an email. So
> hopefully
> > everything works out with this guy and I am happy to
> find out that his
> > mistake was not intentional and he is doing everything
> to resolve this
> > issue including revising his listings to either take
> out the weight
> > completely and just sell them as micro mounts or state
> the weight of
> > 7mg - 10mg the choice is up to him and i am satisfied
> with either way
> > he chooses to proceed.
> >
> > Daniel Furlan
> > collector and dealer
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