[meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
From: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <413507.29511.qm_at_web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dear List, and Norm, WOW! In this thread the?only?2?things that has been said that is counter-productive for anyone just getting started in the search for meteorites is, Norm's?? disrespectful comments!?(for 1)? "This is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones."???????????? Norm I have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to be respectful to other people in this small farming town.........You do not know anything about me.......so why would you make a comment like that! The second comment by you is compairing?the glacier area of (?NE WA.) to that of OHIO-INDIANA)??? WHAT???????? That is like?compairing the moon to mars ! Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur Archaeologist, I have found over 450 artifacts in?4 counties in south west Ohio, I can Identify each and everyone, I have recorded all my finds. I have discovered 20 village sites! And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can Identify the common rock typs?that are Igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic. My favorite rocks to collect are the "one of a kind," metamorphic rocks, and the basalts with? subporphyritic texture.(like what is found in some achondrites) So if i may,?let me?tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and Indiana. On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil. (thats is where after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite 4-9-2011) There are not that many glacier rocks,?But a few, But also since 4-9. I found 2 fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years old). and 40ty other artifacts in this 8-10' of soil. Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is only 4-6"deep on the moriane, But guess what!!!!!!!! in? this rocky area is where I found my second banged-up chondrite! (which is different from the 1st!) and my third un-fluted paleo point, about 12 feet away! Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these rolling hills (morianes) for 35 years. Less? then 10% of the rocks even in the rocky areas are brown or black!? What color are ?fresh chondrites.........Black, what color are weathered chondrites, "BROWN" So to ?all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles in a bag of mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even in the rocky hill side of a moriane............in ohio,indiana, and Illinoise that is. Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age, most of my UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion crust on them. What I found looks more weathered, So yes I still may be very wrong to there age. Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles are at the bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build befor its advance south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were traped in the ice during that time frame.? ?? So Norm, I was not talking about the meteorites on the ground before the glacier came,? But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE ICE, when the ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE. NOW FOR THE "ID" COMMENTS! 20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other meteorites from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites? So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what you all sold me, ?know that they are real meteorites! Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only?after 4-9-2011 Have I found 2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt that are both chondrites. There are "NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT LOOK LIKE?a L or H chondrite!? so they do not have to be ID, but yes they do need to get classifide. Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3 possiable achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos are the more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the morine that have little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.100000209843157&l=601eb88043 ? ? ----- Original Message ---- From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman at nvbell.net> To: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits All, I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting started in the search for meteorites.? The glacier angle is, in this case, thin ice.? First, Antarctica is a very special case:? in general glacial moraines are an absolutely horrible place to look.? I'm with Mike.? If you've got genuine meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine deposits.? Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.? This is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones. But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice sheet (in NE WA).? Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a meteorite hunter doesn't want.? Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of meteorites was a direct result?of going places where there shouldn't be any rocks.?The sand?seas of the Sahara, same thing. ?The dry lakebeds of the Great Basin continue that tradition.? And so does Antarctica.? The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.? Glaciers are part of the story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.? Starting at the simple end, Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is often 3000 m straight down.? Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there fell from the sky.? On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not miss much.? The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.? Then there are the glaciers. Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.? However, where the flowing?ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from the high country.? More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of the entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone. The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.? They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.? They advanced and retreated.? Meltwaters reworked the lot.? The ice was both a bulldozer and?upside-down conveyor belt.? Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration. Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the dilution effects make the search much more difficult. So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you can, but if you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the moraines of the great continental ice sheets.? Further, you don't need to run out and buy a metal detector, expensive or otherwise. Life is too short to do that anywhere but a strewn field. You need to cover ground to up the odds.? Go where there are no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for routine cold searches Cheers, Norm (still on the far side of the globe) www.tektitesource.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> To: meteoriteguy.com <mike at meteoriteguy.com> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Hi Mike you may be right. But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same fall. But they both could be from different falls?? And when you look at the glacier map?I posted with all the iron finds in south west ohio, non of them are paired? just my thoughts. Thanks again Dave Myers ? ----- Original Message ---- From: meteoriteguy.com <mike at meteoriteguy.com> To: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> Cc: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>; "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Guys, It is very unlikely that these Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like any other. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Tracy > > All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show the > smaller ones in Butler county and other countys. > > There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton > county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm. > > I want to hunt that really bad. > > Will ask next them next year. > > > Dave Myers > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits > > > That was my thought as well.? There seem to be parallels here between the > Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you are > > > > finding.? Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields?? There is a > reason why Moraine, OH was named that! > > Best! > Tracy Latimer > ---------------------------------------- >> From: mikestang at gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700 >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits >> >> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are >> commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones? >> >> -Michael in so. Cal. >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. 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