[meteorite-list] Edward Anders on going to the Moon: meteorites, asteroids & politics bonus (was ... 'the poor man's space probe')

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:48:54 -0400
Message-ID: <8CE1B98065F0CED-4C8-1C30F_at_webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com>

Good luck Martin, I hope he is still active. If you want to get the
History of the World (Meteorites), from his point of view as the
foundations of the modern classification of meteorites was in progress
... and to see what was on his mind when he invented the phrase ... you
could check out Ursula Marvin's MAPS 2001 article, an oral history she
did wih him (interview), too:

(link)
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2001M%26PSA..36..255M
ref:
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, 36, Supplement, p. A255-A267

Kindest wishes
Doug


PS
Joke from the new publication, inspired by that special metal found in
special places,

ref: Zentralblatt "Meteoritical Nickel" Vol. V, No. V.

page 5:

What's a square a nickel in Germany?

Ans: Ni Ni in Ger ;-)

Nein, Nein, just joking





-----Original Message-----
From: karmaka <karmaka at email.de>
To: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Edward Anders on going to the Moon:
meteorites, asteroids & politics bonus (was ... 'the poor man's space
probe')


Thank you for the information, Doug.

I wrote an email to Edward Anders asking him about the phrase.

I hope he will reply.

Best wishes

Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
Gesendet: 29.07.2011 00:30:45
An: karmaka at email.de, Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Edward Anders on going to the Moon: meteorites, asteroids &
politics
bonus (was ... 'the poor man's space probe')

>Hi List -- While the chemists are having a moment in the Sun-
>
>More on Edward Anders, a colorful personality with incredible
>foresight, who swam with the greats at Chicago during their
>unprecedeted heyday (His colleague Harold Urey 'invented' the term
>"cosmochemistry" and you all know about amino acids and their possible
>relationship to carbonaceous chondrites). Taken in context in 1972,
>very impressive, it could be our discussion today (and he better have a
>good pair of boxing gloves) ;-)
>
>
>Ref: Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist (December, 1972) pp. 32-38.
>
>"The first thing we saw on in the Apollo 11 samples was that the soil
>was enriched in about a dozen "meteoritic" elements relative to the
>rocks. The amount corresponded to an admixture of about 1.5 to 2.0 per
>cent meteoritic material. Because the elements ocurred in essentially
>solar proportions we could tell that this material was very primitive,
>similar to carbonaceous chondrites. And this is still true four
>missions later..."
>
>""I have always been rather critical of the manned space program, at
>first because I considered it an extravaganza and later because it
>undercut and weakened our unmanned lunar and planetary programs...But
>now that the money has been spent...Let us face it, manned Lunar
>exploration is probably a one-time adventure for mankind. After the
>Apollo program ends, I think it will take many decades or centuries
>before mankind attempts another manned lunar program. There is a lot
>of fundamental information hidden in the lunar rocks, and as with the
>meteorites, it will take a sustained effort over centuries to extract
>all this information. So we are really gathering samples for future
>generations and the cost of the lunar missions has to be judged from
>this point of view. Therefore it is an opportunity to carry out these
>missions while we still have trained astronauts, technicians, and
>engineers, why not? The ost is something like 50 cents for every man,
>woman and child in the country..."
>
>I opposed asteroid missions because asteroids are probably the only
>celestial bodies [sic.] from which samples are delivered free of charge
>to our door step. It would be quite embarrassing if an expensive
>mission were launched to an asteroid and brought back samples a few
>years later esentially identical to meteorites that have been sitting
>on museum shelves for many years. We would have spent all this money
>to get material that is already on hand.
>
>I would concede one point, namely, that we probably get meteorites only
> from a small fraction of the asteroid population, maybe 10 percent,
>maybe less. More than 90 per cent of the asteroids do not communicarte
>with us. Among those are some oddballs which are quite different from
>the rest. If future work shows that some of these asteroids are keys
>to the mysteries of the solar system, then one can make a case for a
>mission to such an asteroid.
>
>Kindest wishes
>Doug
>PS Next time we go - and we will - it will be with less brawn but at
>least as much brains! Got to love the last quote in light of the DAWN
>mission at Vesta today.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
>To: karmaka at email.de; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:39 pm
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who invented the phrase 'the poor man's
>space probe'?
>
>
>... nothing but a 'poor man's space probe' launched unceremoniously
>somewhere in the asteroidal belt sometime during the last two billion
>years [sic.] ...?
>?
>1960 - Dr. Edward Anders?
>Univ. of Chicago?
>?
>... unless Nininger said something similar earlier!?
>?
>Best wishes?
>Doug?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: karmaka <karmaka at email.de>?
>To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?
>Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:37 pm?
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Who invented the phrase 'the poor man's space
>probe'??
>?
>Dear list members,?
>?
>Does anyone know who was the first who called a meteorite 'the poor
>man's space?
>probe"??
>?
>Best regards?
>?
>Martin?
>?
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