[meteorite-list] OT Vesta

From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:36:21 -0500
Message-ID: <050B6F20E2974BF39F34140E18CD0703_at_ATARIENGINE2>

Dear Mushroom Men,

> ...fighting it out with Charlie's authors...

Authors? There is but the ONE author, the late great
Roald Dahl [Wing Commander Dahl, 1916 -- 1990],
author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, James
and the Giant Peach, The Fantastic Mr. Fox, Matilda,
The Witches, The Twits, Charlie and the Great Glass
Elevator, The BFG, The Gremlins, The Enormous Crocodile,
Esio Trot, George's Marvellous Medicine, Danny, the
Champion of the World, The Giraffe and the Pelly and
Me, The Minpins, The Vicar of Nibbleswicke, The Magic
Finger, The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar and...

When he died in 1990, he was buried with his favorite
snooker cues, some very good burgundy and of course,
lots of chocolates, a box of HB pencils and a power saw
in case it was, well, too confining in there.

Eleanor Frances Butler Cameron (1912?1996) criticized
the book for the Evil Mr. Wonka's "unfeeling attitude
toward the Oompa-Loompas, their role as conveniences
and devices to be used for Wonka?s purposes, their being
brought over from Africa for enforced servitude, and the
fact that their situation is all a part of the fun and games.
I find it regrettable, too, that Willy Wonka, through the
cleverness of his advertising, can triumphantly convince
Charlie that life lived forever inside the factory, enclosed
as in a prison, is the height of all possible bliss, with here
again no word said, nothing expressed, that would
question this idea."

Yes, Mr. Wonka is another Simon Legree, a slave master,
a capitalist exploiter in the mold of diabolical Mr. William
Gates, no doubt. Ms. Cameron objects to Charlie because
it is "fantastical... caricature, [and] removed from reality,"
hence children learn nothing from it. She recommends
"Little Women and Gulliver?s Travels" herself, works of
obvious moral rectitude, I suppose.

Wait! Is Gulliver?s Travels really realistic? She also
recommends Alice In Wonderland which, as we all
know, is not in the least fantastical or like caricature
of any sort and contains none but the morally edifying
characters... She likes Charlotte's Web thoroughly.
Nothing fantastical there; I talk to pigs and spiders
myself...

I think Cameron is a humorless Canadian twit incapable
of understanding irony in any form, a person thoroughly
earnest and thick as a brick. .

If you wish to read her attack on Dahl, his response, her
response to his response, etc., you will find them here:
http://www.hbook.com/history/magazine/camerondahl.asp


Sterling K. Webb
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From: "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: <nakhladog at comcast.net>; <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT Vesta


> Well, Rob ok!
>
> Now, you are absolutely right about that. Curiously you've now picked
> my absolute favorite children's book of all time (Is it coincidence or
> did you know), which two kind and generous list members actually had
> me shaking in my shoes by giving me the entire mushroom planet series
> of books. The kicker is ... the author of Mushroom Planet despised
> Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and created quite a scandal and
> old-style flame war fighting it out with Charlie's authors...because
> the premises of Charlie and ..." was a terrible direction to corrupt
> young minds with given the existing body of literature available to
> children. The same concerns are why the Oompa Loompas lost their
> green hair after the book was written. Charlie is one of my top ten
> as well so I guess I'm corrupted, but there was no foul smelling
> sulfur on Vesta like Basidium, Vesta is a sweet as a burst of
> chocolate so we'll have to hang the jury?
>
> As for the green Mushroom people, I still think I'm one of them - and
> I have claimed being from Vesta before (Why not, Sterling is from
> Venus). The whole thing can be reconciled if we are talking about the
> same crowd which staged a journey from Vesta on Basidium-X, a Vestoid,
> and hitched up to a gaggle of Wild geese to Earth after Mrs.
> Pennyfeather died and they were out of Sulfur (which is not naturally
> ocurring on Basidium-X) in the 1950s, and then established themselves
> in Oompa-Loompish until Mr. Wonka picked them up in the 1970s. I'll
> drink to that ;-)
>
> Best wishes
> Doug
> ref: stolen ideas from Mushroom Planet, Chocolate Factory, Little
> Prince, and another book or two as the arrival at Vesta seems as
> unbelievable as it has been long-awaited
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog at comcast.net>
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug
> <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 6:14 pm
> Subject: OT Vesta
>
>
> I'll give ya the crater (I didn't know that until now -
> Ries/N?rdlingen being the filming site) but Vesta is more the
> territory of Mr. Bass and the little green people of the Mushroom
> Planet
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Flight_to_the_Mushroom_Planet
> Rob Wesel ------------------
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> We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aim.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011
> 2:28 PM To: <nakhladog at comcast.net>;
> <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
> DAWN drives up to Vesta
>> Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at
>> Ries
> Crater! > They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie
> and the > Chocolate Factory".
>>
>> My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate
> Factory and > forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ...
>>
>> I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the
>> point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of
>> the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in
>> this factory. So
> I > talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him
> how his > people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they
> would only come > with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was
> so happy he leaped up > in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green
> caterpillars right out his > bong-bong tree window. So, here they
> are!"
>>
>> Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds
> like > England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look
> over the > factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes
> up, down sideways > and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him
> leaving the factory > hovering over the beautful village.
>>
>> What village? N?rdlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of
>> course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they
>> have
> green > hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their
> original > homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for
> green sample > return missions and the great glass elevator itself,
> both of which were > originally defenses against the snozzwangers you
> mentioned!
>>
>> This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark
>> this OT, is because next time you get to
> visit > Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of
> N?rdlingen (Bavaria, > Germany) had it selected as the town of the
> chocolate factory and thus > launch pad for the next adventure when
> the elevator was used as a space > ship and docked on the space
> station (the book was written long before the > ISS) where some
> terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat > everyone on
> Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without >
> spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it -
> maybe > it was just "shooting stars") ...
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog at comcast.net> To:
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug
> <mexicodoug at aim.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN
>> drives up to Vesta Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in
>> Loompaland, not Vesta ?Then
> you?ll > know all about it,? said Mr Wonka. ?And oh, what a terrible
> country it is! > Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most
> dangerous beasts in the > world ? hornswogglers and snozzwangers and
> those terrible wicked > whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten
> Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and > come galloping back for a second
> helping. When I went out there, I found > the little Oompa-Loompas
> living in tree houses. They had to live in tree > houses to escape
> from the whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the > snozzwangers.
> And they were living on green caterpillars, and the > caterpillars
> tasted revolting, and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of > their
> days climbing through the treetops looking for other things to mash >
> up with the caterpillars to make them taste better ? red beetles, for
> > instance, and eucalyptus leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree,
> all > of them beastly, but not quite so beastly as the caterpillars.
> Poor little > Oompa-Loompas! The one food that they longed for more
> than any other was > the cacao bean. But they couldn?t get it. An
> Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he > found three or four cacao beans a year.
> But oh, how they craved them. They > used to dream about cacao beans
> all night and talk about them all day. You > had only to mention the
> word ?cacao? to an Oompa-Loompa and he would start > dribbling at the
> mouth. .' > http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg
> Rob > Wesel ------------------ > Nakhla Dog Meteorites
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites >
> www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel ------------------ > We are the music
> makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy > Wonka,
> 1971 -------------------------------------------------- > From:
> "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aim.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:36 >
> AM To: <majbaermann at web.de>; <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
>>> Hi Matthias! Do you think your Tatahouine was mined on Vesta by the
> Oumpa >> Lumpas! Unfortunately all the kings horses and all the kings
> men couldn't >> put Tatahouine together again, so we'll never know
> with 100.000...000% >
>> certainty if 99% of them all ever had any fusion crust.... :-( :-)
>>>
>>> Won't you be surprised when you find that Vesta actually was mined
> by
>> sly > Oumpas living under Ries Crater that have a giant slingshot,
> perfect > sense > of masses, orbits and atmospheres of everything and
> have been > mining Vesta > to songs that have been heard for thousands
> of years ... by > hurling > projectiles on precisely calculated
> billiard-like trajectories > at that > return samples to Earth. Of
> course, each time a space-faring > gaggle of > geese pass by the
> returning stones, Vesta stones being so > attractive to > their eyes,
> they pick them right out of the path and bring > them to earth >
> during June and November migrations, and set them down > somewhere in
> Africa > where they pick at them like chicken feed and love > the
> icing, until they > shatter into zillions of pieces. - And you >
> thought you had Tatahouine > figured out now that you have that
> beautiful > new stone ;-) But maybe you > are on to something about
> why it is so > difficult to know Vesta's "perfect" > mass!
>>>
>>> Happy Day! Doug
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