[meteorite-list] Micromounts and weights - Standards Vary
From: Michael Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <CA3383FC.1B6FF%mlblood_at_cox.net> Mike, I checked this out and was confused. The first statement: " METTLER TOLEDO AT261 0.01mg Counting Scale in HardCase" Implies accuracy down to a tenth of one mg! That is .0001g HOWEVER, the first part of the description reads: Weighing Capacity:205g Repeatability:(0-50g)+/-0.015mg Linearity:(10g)+/-0.03mg Stabilization:(typical)8-12sec What the h*** does that mean? It sounds like a maximum Capacity of 205g, but "repeatability:(0-50g)+/- 0.015" seams Like it is saying it can be off by 15mg! THEN: "Linearity:(10)+/- 0.03mg Stabilization..." sounds Like they are saying it could be off by 30mg. How do others read this? Michael On 6/30/11 5:11 PM, "Met. Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote: > Yes, and for those serious about weights, I would highly recommend a > refurbished Mettler unit similar to this one: > > http://tinyurl.com/3dz8udc > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > and join us on Facebook: > www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 > IMCA #5765 > ----------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Farmer [mailto:mike at meteoriteguy.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:55 PM > To: Mike Bandli > Cc: Michael Gilmer; Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Micromounts and weights - Standards Vary > > I use a multi-thousand dollar scale, you are right about the cheap scales, > have bought several for the field, they are worthless. > Wanna sell the small stuff, make the investment to do it right. > > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 4:52 PM, "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote: > >> A little perspective on milligrams: >> >> There are a lot of meteorite mg weights out there that not accurate. We > can >> thank these new, cheap Chinese digital scales that promise accuracies of > +/- >> 1mg or less, which are a complete joke. I bought one in Tucson to test it >> out against my high-end calibrated machine and it was off by about 10 mg > on >> average for pieces 50 to 100 mg and 5 mg on average for pieces 10 to 50 > mg. >> Anything fewer than 10 mg - forget about it. The calibration weights it > came >> with were even more laughable... >> >> In reality, in order to be able to accurately measure mg, you need a > machine >> that has been recently leveled and calibrated in-situ. I have a recently >> leveled/calibrated mechanical scale whose tare changes by the hour due to >> changes in the weather. It even picks up the subtle vibration of the >> dishwasher downstairs. >> >> Bottom line - a $100 mg scale isn't going to get you the accuracy needed > to >> accurately measure true mg. Since most people can't afford the hundreds to >> thousands it costs for an accurate mg scale, I don't expect most mg > weights >> advertised to be truly accurate. They're close... >> >> Just my 2 mg worth (+/- 1mg)... >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Mike Bandli >> Historic Meteorites >> www.HistoricMeteorites.com >> and join us on Facebook: >> www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 >> IMCA #5765 >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Gilmer >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:17 PM >> To: Meteorite List >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Micromounts and weights - Standards Vary >> >> Hi Listees and Micronauts, >> >> There has been some discussion recently about people buying >> micromounts from a vendor on eBay and not getting the weights they >> were promised. I thought I would throw out some thoughts on micros, >> since those are my bread and butter. >> >> First, the definition of "micromount" is relative. There is no >> set-in-stone size bracket for what defines a micromount. It seems to >> me that the general consensus is that micromounts are in the 1g range >> for the more common types and sub-gram in weight for the rare types. >> Very rare falls or planetaries are commonly sold by the milligram. >> Rockhounds tend to equate meteorite micromounts with mineral >> thumbnails. But generally speaking, most micromounts on the market >> today are in the sub-gram (<1g) range. >> >> Ideally, a micromount should be visually appealing (such a well >> polished, thin part slice with good surface area to weight ratio) and >> big enough to identify the lithology of the type/fall, while at the >> same time being cheap enough to afford on a limited budget. >> >> The more preparation that goes into making a given micromount, the >> higher the price, generally speaking. At some point, it's not >> financially viable to put a lot of cutting and polishing work into >> piece of common find that is only worth a buck or two a gram. >> Smaller micros are difficult to work with during preparation, for >> obvious reasons, so many of the micromounts seen on the market are >> unpolished, rough, or broken. >> >> What motivates a person to collect micromounts varies from person to >> person, but the most commonly cited reason for buying micros is to >> temporarily fill a void in a type collection. It could be a >> petrologic type, a find from a given geographic area, a fall from a >> specific date, etc. Often a micromount is a temporary measure until a >> nicer specimen can be acquired, or until the needed finances to buy a >> larger piece can be saved up. For the very rare types and >> planetaries, a micromount might be the best hope for a collector on a >> restricted budget. >> >> There are a couple of schools of thought when it comes to dealing and >> selling micromounts - some dealers sell specimens by weight (by >> milligram, even for specks) or some dealers offer specimens by the >> piece (by eye/photo). For the most part, I am of the latter school >> that sells micros by the piece. That means I don't weigh each and >> every micromount, unless it is a very rare and valuable meteorite such >> as a planetary or historical fall. Each dealer has their own methods >> for handling micromounts and we those aren't really relevant to the >> discussion at hand. >> >> When weighing micromounts, one must use an accurate scale that is >> sensitive to 1 milligram - the good ones are used by diamond and gem >> dealers. There are many brands of these scales which range in quality >> and accuracy. When dealing with small specks that weigh a milligram >> or two, the readings can vary from unit to unit when weighing the same >> specimen. If a buyer pays for and is promised a micro that weighs >> 100mg, it better weigh 100mg and not 50mg or 80mg. Sometimes a buyer >> gets an added bonus because their personal scale is more accurate than >> the seller's scale and a promised 100mg micro might weigh 120mg or >> 150mg. If the seller is not sticking to a strict pricing scheme ($/g >> or $/mg), then ultimately what matters is if the buyer is happy with >> their micromount. >> >>> From a collector's standpoint, it pays to shop around for micromounts. >> Unless it's a very rare meteorite, it's easy to find several dealers >> offering similar-sized specimens for widely-varying prices. One must >> also pay close attention to the reputation of the seller and the >> provenance of rare specimens. Because micros tend to be small (some >> are downright tiny), it would be easy for an unscrupulous seller to >> misrepresent specimens as something more valuable than what they truly >> are. Chances are, if you are reading this mailing list, you are one >> of those people who can find a reputable source and who does their >> homework before sending payments across oceans on fiber-optic cables. >> >> My own personal meteorite collection (the pieces I keep in my cabinet >> and are not traded on my website) are mostly micromounts and I keep >> the majority of them stored in 1.25" gemjars with paper labels inside >> the bottom, under the foam. Some people prefer membrane boxes, small >> Riker boxes, or other storage and display methods, but that is the >> subject of an entire debate of it's own. The most commonly-seen >> container on the micromount market is the gemjar, and thus it is a >> general rule of thumb that if a specimen will fit into a gemjar, then >> that specimen could/should be called a "micromount". >> >> Best micro-regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> -- >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) >> >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> ______________________________________________ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist. 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