[meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

From: cdtucson at cox.net <*cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20110113130309.17CV3.802586.imail_at_fed1rmwml39> · cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com

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Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Dolores Hill <dhill at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote: 
> Dear meteorite-list,
> 
> I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied 
> dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab 
> (LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In 
> addition to "number of tree-rings/years," the growth _/pattern/_ is 
> extremely important in cross-dating a tree sample according to a 
> particular regional "chronology."  Depending on the species and/or 
> environmental conditions, there may even be "missing rings or double 
> rings."  The number of rings also depends on when the tree first started 
> growing and when it died (naturally or was cut down) or was sampled by 
> increment core. 
> 
> I have seen fascinating photos of supposed Sikhote-Alin meteorites stuck 
> in trees and invited the owners to allow LTRR experts to examine them.  
> So far the owners seem to get cold feet.  LTRR has scientists and 
> visiting researchers who have first-hand experience with Russian trees 
> and forests.  They are happy to provide assistance: 
> http://ltrr.arizona.edu/         If authentic, the samples might aid 
> studies of biological effects of meteorite impacts.  It would be best if 
> the original location of the tree is known; another case for careful 
> documentation.
> 
> Regards,
> Dolores Hill
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
> University of Arizona
> 
> 
> John Birdsell wrote:
> > Hi Ted....good point. If a tree branch was collected many, many years ago, it 
> > could have fewer growth rings, and might also be expected to show some signs of 
> > its age. 
> >
> >
> > -J
> >
> > I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and several that are too 
> > young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says that all of the 
> > genuine specimens were gathered years ago, but some may have been kept for 
> > future sale as we know the Arab dealers do with meteorites. 
> >
> > Be careful out there. 
> >
> > Ted Bunch 
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Birdsell <johnbirdsell at yahoo.com>
> > To: John Birdsell <johnbirdsell at yahoo.com>; Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>; 
> > Impactika at aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:25:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> >
> > One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band AND 
> >
> > a dark colored late growth band...
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Birdsell <johnbirdsell at yahoo.com>
> > To: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>; Impactika at aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> >
> > Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branch....if a tree was alive 
> > in 1947 there should be more than 64.
> >
> >
> > -J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com>
> > To: Impactika at aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> >
> >
> > Hi, 
> >
> > While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something 
> > I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source as 
> >
> >
> > to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where SAs 
> >
> >
> > have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing specie 
> >
> >
> > of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently bound 
> > around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it 
> > was...impressive.  
> >
> >
> > Little scary, right?
> >
> > In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
> > lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in 
> > the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged 
> > Saharan fulgurites. 
> >
> >
> > Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and 
> > yet bothersome as well. 
> >
> >
> > d,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Impactika at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his 
> >> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since I 
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let me 
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >> try to set the record straight:
> >>
> >> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
> >>
> >> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ 
> >> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) 
> >>
> >> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
> >> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
> >>
> >> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is 
> >> truly inside the tree. 
> >> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and 
> >> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the 
> >> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it". 
> >> (Thank you Craig!)
> >> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust 
> >> the Russian dealer I bought it from. 
> >> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.  
> >>
> >> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in 
> >> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> >> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as 
> >> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all 
> >> the paperwork!
> >>
> >> See you all there very soon.
> >>
> >> Anne M. Black
> >> http://www.impactika.com/
> >> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> >> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> >> http://www.imca.cc/
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