[meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:10:02 -0800
Message-ID: <D64266023377452FB946B2F037ADA40D_at_bosoheadPC>

Seems odd that somehow Geoff got mixed up in this discussion. I see this as
nothing more that tv-show groupees seeing a value (perhaps rightly so if
they had discovered the B-meteorites, but even still because of the celeb
status)...for anyone unaware of current $-trends for any Bassikounou, and
never looking into real-collection offering pricings, I can actually see
this happening. (Even Sikhote Alin ~30-40 gram rusty-oily shrapnels were
going for 1$+/gram today, go figure.)

When I originally read the first two posts, Geoff never came to mind, still
doesn't. Certainly shill-bidding didn't. Let's watch the newbees instead.

Richard Montgomery



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay


Carl, All,
For those who apparently don't know how to read the bidding statistics
on a given page, the important thing to look at is the time at which a
bid was placed -- not the order in which it appears on the list.

The current top bid, held by 3***g( 93), was placed on December 31st,
at ~10:30am PST.
a***a( 419) tried to outbid 3***g( 93) twice the next day (Jan. 1),
placing bids of $50 and $60.
At this point, s***t( 0 ) placed no fewer than 14 bids, the last of
which was for $180. This drove the price to $182.50, which...makes
sense, since the bid increment up to $250 is $2.50.

This looks like a typical example of someone bidding an item up. But
since we all know Geoff and he does have good standing, it would be
strange to accuse him of anything without evidence of some sort.

It's probably just someone who doesn't understand how best to use
ebay. Or it could even be a recurrence of our non-paying fellow from
a week or so ago...

Regards,
Jason



On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
> Don, Greg,
> OMG
> I can't believe what I am reading here.
> We are talking about Geoff Notkin. I am sorry but, I have to speak up
> here.
> Geoff is NOT shilling here.
> He would simply never be a part of anything like that.
> The reason it looks like the *0* feedback bidder bid so many times is
> because the bidder with 93 feedbacks bid around 15 times until he was high
> bidder. This has nothing to do with any shill or conspiracy. It is simply
> how eBay works.
> Again ,I say for the record. Geoff is way to cool to be involved in ANY
> thing illegal.
> Carl
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- GREG LINDH <geeg48 at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> An Ebayer bidding on his own stuff.
>>
>> Wow, there's a shocker.
>>
>>
>> Greg L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com
>> > To: fujmon at mac.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:44:32 -0500
>> > CC: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
>> >
>> > The fact that one individual bidder has 0 feedback and that many bids
>> > on one
>> > item in that span of time, leads me to feel that maybe a form of bid
>> > rigging
>> > is taken place. At least that's what would catch my eye and put my
>> > guard up.
>> > Now that the price is where the seller wants it, it would not surprise
>> > me
>> > that Mr. 0 feedback will not bid again. If I was the high bidder I
>> > would
>> > retract my bid this way Mr. 0 would be high bidder! I could be wrong on
>> > all
>> > this but I have seen this game before on several occasions.
>> > Here is a link to a news source in which an eBay bidder was arrested
>> > and
>> > charged with bidding on his own auctions because he said they were
>> > lower
>> > then expected...he even admits creating another account with name to do
>> > this
>> > bidding rigging!
>> >
>> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267410/Ebay-seller-faces-fine-bidding-items-raise-prices.html
>> >
>> > Sincerely
>> > Don Merchant
>> > IMCA #0960
>> > Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
>> > http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>
>> > To: "MeteorList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:46 PM
>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Another crazy bidder on ebay
>> >
>> >
>> > > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=170585023324
>> > >
>> > > current bid is at $180 for a 2.3g complete oriented Bassikounou H5
>> > > chondrite
>> > >
>> > > granted Geoff's offering is a pristine example of flight orientation
>> > > of an
>> > > OC, but would anybody in their right mind bid $79/g? FWIW, this 'new'
>> > > guy
>> > > has 0 feedback.
>> > >
>> > > Gary Fujihara
>> > > Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
>> > > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
>> > > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>> > > http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html
>> > > (808) 640-9161
>> > >
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